How does someone know when a magical requires more than just spellcraft?
I believe the new rule is, if you're a wizard, all anything requires is spellcraft, but the difficulty can be a lot less if you already have the relevant spells and abilities--or higher if you don't, however you look at it.
If you're not a wizard, you can have it go off of whatever crafting skill you're using instead.
Basically it's a lot like the 3.5 Eberron Artificer faking everything with Use Magic Device, except now it's wizards faking everything with Spellcraft. Ahem, using their lore and learning and theoretical mumbo jumbo to harness the phlebotinum to weave their subtle enchantments.
And if they screw up, that's where you get those entertaining cursed items.
For all the Item Creation feats, either a related Craft or Profession skill OR Spellcraft can be used for enchanting the item. The only exception is a non-caster enchanting items via Master Craftsman, which limits you to using the Craft skill chosen with the feat.
Spellcraft is most often what used, because it is able to be used for any item. If, however, a character is specialized in one type of item, Craft can end up with much higher results than Spellcraft, because:
There are more traits and feats that boost Craft than do Spellcraft.
There are masterwork tools for Craft skills, there are NOT for Spellcraft.
There is the Crafter's Fortune spell, which grants +5 to a Craft skill check, not to spellcraft.
A Ring of Craft Magic user can sacrifice spellslots to boost Craft skill checks, not Spellcraft.
There are class abilities that boost Craft checks (not Spellcraft) - Soul Forger, Forgepriest, etc.
thread nerco recorded? 4 years?
HA! no idea how that even came up in my feed... weird.
And it's 6 years.. show some respect!
The only exception is a non-caster enchanting items via Master Craftsman, which limits you to using the Craft skill chosen with the feat.
Nope.
Master Craftsman uses the craft selected when making the check to enchant an item, based on the craft's skill level. The item is manufactured (crafted) using an appropriate craft, even if different to the one used for the check.
/cevah
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The only exception is a non-caster enchanting items via Master Craftsman, which limits you to using the Craft skill chosen with the feat.Nope.
Master Craftsman uses the craft selected when making the check to enchant an item, based on the craft's skill level. The item is manufactured (crafted) using an appropriate craft, even if different to the one used for the check.
/cevah
You wish. The magic item crafting rules specify what crafting skills can be used to enchant specific items. You can't enchant a sword with Craft (baskets).
And it is 6 year necro, I think we had a few others that reached that far back.
Creating Magic Weapons
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Skill Used in Creation: Spellcraft, Craft (bows) (for magic bows and arrows), or Craft (weapons) (for all other weapons).
The only exception is a non-caster enchanting items via Master Craftsman, which limits you to using the Craft skill chosen with the feat.Nope.
Master Craftsman uses the craft selected when making the check to enchant an item, based on the craft's skill level. The item is manufactured (crafted) using an appropriate craft, even if different to the one used for the check.
/cevah
You wish. The magic item crafting rules specify what crafting skills can be used to enchant specific items. You can't enchant a sword with Craft (baskets).
And it is 6 year necro, I think we had a few others that reached that far back.
Creating Magic Weapons
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Skill Used in Creation: Spellcraft, Craft (bows) (for magic bows and arrows), or Craft (weapons) (for all other weapons).
Your superior crafting skills allow you to create simple magic items.
Prerequisites: 5 ranks in any Craft or Profession skill.
Benefit: Choose one Craft or Profession skill in which you possess at least 5 ranks. You receive a +2 bonus on your chosen Craft or Profession skill. Ranks in your chosen skill count as your caster level for the purposes of qualifying for the Craft Magic Arms and Armor and Craft Wondrous Item feats. You can create magic items using these feats, substituting your ranks in the chosen skill for your total caster level. You must use the chosen skill for the check to create the item. The DC to create the item still increases for any necessary spell requirements (see the magic item creation rules in Magic Items). You cannot use this feat to create any spell-trigger or spell-activation item.
Normal: Only spellcasters can qualify for the Craft Magic Arms and Armor and Craft Wondrous Item feats.
Since you can enchant an existing item you bought, it is clear you don't need to use the selected craft skill to manufacture the unenchanted item at all. You only need it for the actual enchanting.
You can enchant a sword with Craft (baskets). :-)
EDIT: I supposes it depends on how you read it. MC Feat "You must use the chosen skill for the check to create the item." vs. CMAA Feat "Skill Used in Creation: Spellcraft, Craft (bows) (for magic bows and arrows), or Craft (weapons) (for all other weapons).". Sure, Craft(weapons) satisfies both, but Craft(baskets) satisfies MC, which states you make the item. RAI, I am fine either way.
/cevah