List of non-ogl monsters?

[DM Jeff]

*sigh* Been round and round "teh google" today and cannot find any list of the monsters WotC did not allow in the last updated SRD. I used to have it back when I was writing, but seem to have misplaced it.

If anyone has a link or a list I'd really appreciate it, thanks!

-DM Jeff

[ericthecleric]

While I can't provide what you're looking for directly, www.d20srd.org lists the ones that are OGL, including epic and psionic ones.
You'll have to look by process of elimination.
So there's no mind flayers, and no yuan-ti. :-( I just noticed that bralanis and ghaeles are no longer part of the eladrin race, presumably because the term's been used elsewhere. :rolls eyes:

[DM Jeff]

Many thanks, and of course, I finally found it!

IIRC Orcus shouldn't actually be in here, but whatever.

Beholder

Cambion

Displacer Beast

Dracolich

Dragonspawn

Drider

Drow

Flameskull

Githyanki

Githzerai

Hook Horror

Kruthik

Kuo-Toa

Mind Flayer

Orcus

Otyugh

Owlbear

Sahuagin

Shadar-Kai

Shifter

Slaad

Tarrasque

Umber Hulk

Warforged

Yuan-Ti

-DM Jeff

[KaeYoss]

DM Jeff wrote:

Drider

Drow

-DM Jeff

Those three don't belong on the list.

[Digitalelf]

I've heard talk of Orcus and Asmodeous as being Open Content, and talk that Demogorgon is not Open Content...

A search through the OGL reveals nothing...

Can anyone shed some light on this?

-That One Digitalelf Fellow-

[Iziak]

Digitalelf wrote:

I've heard talk of Orcus and Asmodeous as being Open Content, and talk that Demogorgon is not Open Content...

A search through the OGL reveals nothing...

Can anyone shed some light on this?

-That One Digitalelf Fellow-

I think that Orcus and Asmodeous were printed in Necromancer Games' Tome of Horrors, which is almost entirely Open Game Content. I don't think that Demogorgon was printed there, however.

[Jason Grubiak]

Arent all the monsters in Necromancer Games' Tome of Horrors open?

If so then Orcus is OK to use.

And Drow and Driders have to be open or the 3rd Pathfinder AP is in a lot fo trouble.

[Digitalelf]

Iziak wrote:

I think that Orcus and Asmodeous were printed in Necromancer Games' Tome of Horrors...

They were, but then they are also in an "official" WotC product too...

Does that not change things?

-That One Digitalelf Fellow-

[James Jacobs]

Everything in the 3.5 Monster Manual is open content, except the following:

Beholder (and gauth)
Carrion Crawler
Displacer Beast
Umber Hulk
Githyanki
Githzerai
Slaad (all types)
Mind Flayer
Kuo-Toa
Yuan-ti (all types)

I feel like I forgot one from that list... but driders and drow are NOT closed content. The best resource to find out what's open and what's not is d20.srd.

Most of the 3rd Edition Monster Manual II is closed content (including hook horrors and grell). There are some monsters in there that are based on mythology, like the siren, the linnorms, and the banshee; we can (and in some cases already have) make these into open monsters but we'd have to build new stats for them that are different than the Monster Manual II versions.

Same goes for Fiend Folio onward.

It gets a bit more tricky when you include Necromancer Games's Tome of Horrors, since there are a LOT of classic D&D monsters in there that WotC allowed to be included. Those versions of the monsters ARE open content; we can use the froghemoth stats from the Tome of Horrors, for example, but not the froghemoth stats that I included in Dungeon magazine. We can use the Tome of Horrors demodands, but not the Fiend Folio demodands.

As for mythic folk like Orcus and Demogorgon... that starts getting even weirder. Several of them DO appear in the Tome of Horrors (notably Baphomet, Orcus, Jubilex, and Kostchtchie) in the incarnations they've always had in the game, and we can use those. Others (like Demogorgon and Graz'zt) do not. In some cases, these demon lords were invented whole-cloth for D&D and as a result they're 100% off limits (this is the case with Graz'zt). In others, the name comes from myth but the exact look and capabilities of the demon are from D&D (this is the case with Demogorgon). In THIS case, we can use the name, but we'd have to do a different set of stats and come up with a different appearance; there's no mythological tradition that describes Demogorgon, so the tentacled two headed version is not open. And since he's such an icon of the game, I'm not interested in making a variant Demogorgon for Pathfinder. That's the main reason we set up Lamashtu as the boss of demons, actually.

[Ken Marable]

DM Jeff wrote:

Many thanks, and of course, I finally found it!

IIRC Orcus shouldn't actually be in here, but whatever.

Beholder...

I think you found the 4e GSL restricted list. The 3.5 non-OGL monsters is in Jacob's message above.

[Iziak]

Digitalelf wrote:

They were, but then they are also in an "official" WotC product too...

Does that not change things?

As James says above, it doesn't change anything. Once a name or rule is Open Game Content, that name or rule will always be Open Game Content even if a book is later published containing that name or rule as non-Open content.

[Eric Hinkle]

James Jacobs wrote:

Everything in the 3.5 Monster Manual is open content, except the following:

Beholder (and gauth)
Carrion Crawler
Displacer Beast
Umber Hulk
Githyanki
Githzerai
Slaad (all types)
Mind Flayer
Kuo-Toa
Yuan-ti (all types)

I feel like I forgot one from that list... but driders and drow are NOT closed content. The best resource to find out what's open and what's not is d20.srd.

Rats! So many good monsters, left untouchable. Especially the beholders and flayers;; they're just so utterly cool.

And with Lamashtu and Demogorgon, part of me thought that the reason she suddenly became the Queen of the Abyss was because of what happened to ol' Demo in Dungeon #150.