Okay, I don't even have issue 128 yet, and I know the supplement for issue 127 isn't even out either, but can we get an ETA for the supplement for issue 128?
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Sometime after 127's goes up but before 129's supplement goes up.Okay, I don't even have issue 128 yet, and I know the supplement for issue 127 isn't even out either, but can we get an ETA for the supplement for issue 128?
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Good answer! :)
I have it on good authority that it will definitely be out on Patchwall the 18th, just before noon.
The Academy of Wizards' mirror site may get it the night before (depending on the results of their scrying attempts).
Jack
Sometime after 127's goes up but before 129's supplement goes up.
I'm running 127 in Sharn and the Parade of Thieves is supposed to be for the Champion's Games. My players are asking questions about the games and I have no idea what Keith will recommend for Sharn. A city of towers is a lot different than Greyhawk; even the maps need conversions. Can I at least get an idea of where this will be? Have you at least received the conversion?
Is there a reason why we can't get a copy cut and pasted into this thread? It would mean a great deal, especially since we don't have a conversion of the campaign arc yet.
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Don't get me wrong, but I never understood how someone can start such a huge campaign as AoW without waiting for every single adventure to be published?!
You guys with the problem of not getting a specific info in due time, (because the new issue of Dungeon is not yet available or the newest (free) web-enhancement is not yet ready for download) all KNOW how often you play, and you also know how much time can flow between such needed infos to be available. So you should have taken this into account!
If I would have started AoW right away, I think my players would have played about two months on the Whispering Cairn alone...
Anyway, I don't want to offend you DMs with this problem, it's just a thought which I wanted to have said here, because I think Paizo is publishing a pearl of a roleplaying magazine, and sometimes I don't understand why a couple of people are pushing and pushing and pushing.
I say it again, don't take this personally, it's just that I have observed a certain kind of impatience here when it comes to release-dates of whatever...
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I'm running 127 in Sharn and the Parade of Thieves is supposed to be for the Champion's Games. My players are asking questions about the games and I have no idea what Keith will recommend for Sharn. A city of towers is a lot different than Greyhawk; even the maps need conversions. Can I at least get an idea of where this will be? Have you at least received the conversion?
Is there a reason why we can't get a copy cut and pasted into this thread? It would mean a great deal, especially since we don't have a conversion of the campaign arc yet.
We have recieved the conversion, as far as I know, for "Champion's Games." Unfortunately, as everyone should have probably already realized, getting these supplements out online cannot be our first priority. We get them up online as soon as we can, but we recently lost one of our graphic designers and the ones we have left are scrambling to keep not only 2 monthly magazines on schedule but to get the Dragon Compendium and Compleat Encoutners out the door as well. And on top of that, the editors have to go through and edit the words... and we're just about as busy as the art side is.
As for cutting and pasting the conversions into this (or any other) thread... I'm afraid that'd cause far more problems than it solves. The conversions that Keith and Eric send us are great, but they aren't edited when the come in, and there's usually a few things therein that simply don't work and need to be changed or adjusted. If we posted the raw data, trust me. It would cause more confusion and chaos than waiting a few weeks for the final edited pieces to appear would.
I'm sorry the supplements can't go online on day one. We're doing the best we can, so all I can ask form you all in return is a little bit of patience while we sort out all these resource issues.
I agree with Dryder that if you're planning on running your AoW campaign faster than the publication and on-line supplement schedule allows, then you're probably better off running something else for a while and then starting AoW about six months later, to avoid frustration.
I didn't start running SC until the whole thing was out, because I've always had a "plan" for a campaign and use a lot of foreshadowing and recurring NPCs. Saved me a lot of frustration.
I´m with you Takasi!!!
I´m also one of these DM´s "lacking" the foresight, patience and wisdom to wait half a year to do what they like to do! :)
Therefore I´m playing Age of Worms right from the start. Who knows what great games we can play in half a year?
And don´t get me wrong...
Loops!
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I agree with Dryder that if you're planning on running your AoW campaign faster than the publication and on-line supplement schedule allows, then you're probably better off running something else for a while and then starting AoW about six months later, to avoid frustration.
I didn't start running SC until the whole thing was out, because I've always had a "plan" for a campaign and use a lot of foreshadowing and recurring NPCs. Saved me a lot of frustration.
Me too. I knew which NPC I could let die, who was a long-time villain/friend, etc.
The AoW seems more easy to customize, 'cause it's not based on a single base location with a fixed bunch of NPCs (as for the Overload overview), but I'll run it when it's at least 3/4 out.
As for cutting and pasting the conversions into this (or any other) thread... I'm afraid that'd cause far more problems than it solves. The conversions that Keith and Eric send us are great, but they aren't edited when the come in, and there's usually a few things therein that simply don't work and need to be changed or adjusted. If we posted the raw data, trust me. It would cause more confusion and chaos than waiting a few weeks for the final edited pieces to appear would.
Thanks for the official response. Erik got our hopes up a few months back when he said he might put them here. I'm just looking for the location of the Champion's Games.
I can understand not getting the notes out on Day 1. It's Day 27.
Will we at least see a campaign arc conversion anytime in the near future?
I had no idea we would see delays like this when the campaign started. In fact, until WC came out I was under the impression that the conversion notes would be included in the magazine. I just started 126 so I'm almost two months behind the magazine.
I didn't think there was going to be a campaign arc conversion. I thought that would happen on an issue by issue basis. Did you hear/read differently?
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One little thing -
I remember someone from Paizo (I think it was James Jacobs, but I am not sure) saying, that they will update the OVERLOAD file from time to time, so that every conversion note will be in this one file by the end of the AoW-AP.
I don't want to know when this will happen, I just want to know here, if this is still true. If not, I can stop checking every month, but if it's true, I know I HAVE TO look there, when the AP has finished...
Thanx!
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Hmmm... I say a LOT of things, you know...
We haven't updated the Overload file with new conversion notes, and there's no plans right now to do so. This may have been somethign we were going to do at one point, but if we barely have time and resources to get the regular online supplements for each issue up and online, we certainly don't have time to go back and rebuild the Overload PDF every month.
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Hmmm... I say a LOT of things, you know...
Yeah, me too! ;)
...we certainly don't have time to go back and rebuild the Overload PDF every month.
Yep, I can imagine that as well! But how about, when the AP is finished?! In the end, it would be cool to have all conversion-notes in one place! You don't have to do it monthly, therefore we have your great web-enhancements!
However, this is just a thought. Don't feel pushed! If not, than not - and I would have no problems with that either!Thanx for answering, James.
Any update on the progress of the supplement?
Wait time after previous supplement:
124: 0 days
125: 58 days
126: 39 days
127: 22 days
128: 25 days and counting
Wait time after issue appears on newstand:
124: 1 day
125: 24 days
126: 35 days
127: 22 days
128: 19 days and counting
As you can see, I'm eagerly anticipating conversion notes. :)
hey James, any estimate on when the 128 and 129 online supplements are gonna show up?
any news is good news :)
First off, and I'm pretty sure most people agree with me, I've always been happy to see the amount of attention paid to the boards and posts. It really goes a long way to showing the dedication and passion DRAGON and DUNGEON's staff have for the game, and their readers.
I am also running the campaign in Eberron, and have been eagerly awaiting Keith's take on converting the Free City Arena to Sharn. I've warned my players about possible "revisionist history" coming into play as new supplements come out, and they've been quite agreeable to it; in fact, they're having a blast with the Age of Worms in Eberron.
Hopefully we'll see it soon, but Sharn's a big enough city that even the most focused group can get distracted. I'm sure there are a few things they can do to occupy their time...and take their gold :)
Keep up the good work!
Any news?
Jack :)
Any news?
Jack :)
With any luck, 128 should be up next week.
Admittedly, we have been pretty unlucky when it comes to these thus far.
We haven't forgotten about it though.
Any update on the progress of the supplement?
Wait time after previous supplement:
124: 0 days
125: 58 days
126: 39 days
127: 22 days
128: 25 days and countingWait time after issue appears on newstand:
124: 1 day
125: 24 days
126: 35 days
127: 22 days
128: 19 days and countingAs you can see, I'm eagerly anticipating conversion notes. :)
Having to wait for the suppliemnts every month would be pretty tough.
I have an idea for you. . . you should do a side quest in Xen'drik. That's a cool place. Since they're in Sharn now, have the PCs fly over to Stormreach via air caravel andyou can use any tenth level dungeon adventure from the magazine. You could also set an adventure in Stormreach itself, and use a mid-level city adventure, or something involving the ocean. Use it as is, and change the names.
That'll keep the players busy for a month and they aren't spending too much time in Sharn when you don't need them too. When you are ready to run the adventure with a 45-60 day delay from the publication date, you'll have all the conversions you need when you need them, and give yourself a little breathing room. :)
Hey, I can settle for next week. The parties are right now on "Hall of Harsh Reflections," thus letting me get two modules ahead. Because of this, I'm able to run HoHR and CB essentially at the same time. (In fact, both parties were so concentrating on the Champion's Games that they got blindsided by HoHR.
Considering that Gathering of Winds represents the halfway point in the campaign, can we get an update on the Overload, even if it just combines all the updates together?
Squid
I wouldn't be surprised if the Dungeon staff were sitting back and taking stock of the impact that these web supplements and Overload type documents make on their resources. Let's face it, these products are free and therefore, as mentioned in another thread, done when it can be fit into any downtime. I wouldn't be surprised if they were put on hold for a while or even stopped.
That said, I think we should applaud the very fact that the Dungeon staff produce this work in their downtime. The last thing I do in mine is work.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Dungeon staff were sitting back and taking stock of the impact that these web supplements and Overload type documents make on their resources.
I couldn't imagine it taking longer than 2 or 3 hours to put together all of the artwork from the magazine into a pdf. The conversions are already submitted; how long could they possibly take to edit?
I have scanned the magazine for the maps and illustration handouts. What I very much look forward to are the conversions. They are a page and a half that they couldn't squeeze into the magazine. If they ever decide to get rid of the online supplements I hope they reconsider how helpful it would be to add these to the magazine. I wanted to run an Eberron campaign with as little prep work as possible. If it wasn't for Keith Baker's notes I probably wouldn't be playing Age of Worms. In fact, I probably wouldn't be a Dungeon subscriber; I would cherry pick any Eberron adventures that came out (maybe two or three issues a year).
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I couldn't imagine it taking longer than 2 or 3 hours to put together all of the artwork from the magazine into a pdf. The conversions are already submitted; how long could they possibly take to edit?
Actually... there's quite a bit more to the process than importing the turnovers that Keith and Eric send in into a PDF and slapping them up online. There's actaully a fair amount of editing that has to happen to each overload; keep in mind that not only do we need to go over the text 3 or so times for the language, we also have to make sure that the conversions fit the needs of the Age of Worms. In many cases, what might be good for the Forgotten Realms or Eberron just won't do for the Age of Worms, and we have to have things changed or adjusted. As for the art side, laying out the online supplement is pretty much a several-hour job, and since we've currently got one graphic designer and one art director for both magazines + all of the other products Paizo is doing, well... finding the time to do them lately is tough.
All told, it takes about a day to get one of these supplements up and running from text turnover to PDF. And that assumes that the editors and graphic designers and web guys are all free to work on the project that day... usually the tasks get split up over multiple days.
Again, I understand how important these conversion notes are for people running the Age of Worms in FR or Eberron. We don't like not being able to put them online any more than the readers like having to wait for them.
As for #128's supplement... at this point it looks like it'll be going up sometime next week. Last week was "get Dungeon to the printer." This week was "get Dragon to the printer." Next week is, hopefully, "get caught up on everything else" week.
Thanks again for the update.
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What James said. The #128 supplement will be hitting some time next week, for sure. The edited text is sitting on my desk ready to go to design.
Won't be long now.
I've also taken steps to ensure that we speed these things up from here on out. I hope to cut down on some of the wait times posted in that list above, and I can certainly say that the era of 30-50-day waits is long over.
--Erik
So how's the search for a new graphics guy going?
Any news on where we are on this? Today is the end of "next week" (see below).
Thanks
Jack
What James said. The #128 supplement will be hitting some time next week, for sure. The edited text is sitting on my desk ready to go to design.
Won't be long now.
I've also taken steps to ensure that we speed these things up from here on out. I hope to cut down on some of the wait times posted in that list above, and I can certainly say that the era of 30-50-day waits is long over.
--Erik
bump :)
I really feel for you guys having to wait so long for this stuff ..... I just managed to get a copy of #128 as it hit the news stand here in Australia ..... yesterday (16 Nov) :)
I really feel for you guys having to wait so long for this stuff ..... I just managed to get a copy of #128 as it hit the news stand here in Australia ..... yesterday (16 Nov) :)
You just need to move to the US -- land of the free and the brave and early Dungeon issues.
Jack
We're also the land of the Department of Homeland Security, dedicated (in part) to keeping you unclean, immoral, fuzzy foreigners out of our job markets and colleges. You're just lucky we let you buy our magazines at all!
BTW, that was a joke (unless you're the feds)
You may now download the Dungeon #128 Online Supplement.
cheers,
rob
You may now download the Dungeon #128 Online Supplement.
cheers,
rob
Hooray!!! Mucho thanks. I've been especially anxious about this one.
Dungeon rocks! Age of Worms Rocks! Long live Greyhawk!
:)
Very happy, very thankful Jack