Adopted Campaign Trait Question


Council of Thieves

Liberty's Edge

Okay, I need just a wee bit of clarification. First, look at this Campaign Trait.

Adopted: You were adopted and raised by someone not of your actual race, and raised in a society not your own. As a result, you picked up a race trait from your adoptive parents and society, and may immediately select a race trait from your adoptive parents’ race. Race traits can be found in Pathfinder Companion products—if you don’t have access to a selection of race traits, it’s best to simply pick a different social feat.

Where do I find the "Race Traits"? What companion products?

Do they mean the Racial Traits in the PFRPG, pages 21-27?

In this instance, one of the PCs wants to have his Half-Orc character being adopted by a Human (Chelaxian).

Any help would be great. Thanks.


Pathfinder Maps Subscriber

My DM adjudicated it as any of the NON-PHYSICAL race traits in the race descriptions in the PFRPG. These are things that would be taught over a period of time (like gnome's defensive training) or attitudes/beliefs that would be absorbed from the surrounding society (dwarven greed or hatred) but not things that cannot be taught (like a dwarf's darkvision).

In my character's case, it was a half-elf raised by elves who took the weapon familiarity racial trait of his full elf adoptive parents.

What human racial trait is your half-orc trying to obtain ? There really aren't that many that would qualify.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

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Race traits and racial traits, despite similar names, are different things.

Racial traits are the abilities you get for being a race, like darkvision or stonecunning. Those are locked in and cant be swapped around.

RACE traits are a category of character trait that, like regional traits and religion traits, appear regularly in the Pathfinder Companion line. You'll want to check those books out for the various race traits you can swap out for by taking the Adopted basic trait. If you don't have or don't use Pathfinder Companion products, then just ignore the Adopted trait because it does nothing for you.

Liberty's Edge

James Jacobs wrote:

Race traits and racial traits, despite similar names, are different things.

Racial traits are the abilities you get for being a race, like darkvision or stonecunning. Those are locked in and cant be swapped around.

RACE traits are a category of character trait that, like regional traits and religion traits, appear regularly in the Pathfinder Companion line. You'll want to check those books out for the various race traits you can swap out for by taking the Adopted basic trait. If you don't have or don't use Pathfinder Companion products, then just ignore the Adopted trait because it does nothing for you.

Cool. Thanks.

Which Pathfinder Companion product would have Race Traits for Humans in general and Chelaxian Humans in specific?

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Floyd Wesel wrote:
Which Pathfinder Companion product would have Race Traits for Humans in general and Chelaxian Humans in specific?

ALL Pahtfinder companion products, save for the ones that specifically focus on non-human races (like Elves of Golarion) will have race traits for humans (although those are generally keyed to one of the 14 human ethnicities, and generally don't do "generic human" traits).

For Chelaxian humans in particular, check out the just-released "Cheliax: Empire of Devils."

Liberty's Edge

Thanks, James. I found the product. With all the various "Pathfinder stuff" with various Pathfinder titles, it was just not very clear WHICH Pathfinder_________ I needed to buy.

Thanks again.

Scarab Sages

Hey James, I've always wondered. With the "Adopted" trait, what is the point of limiting other traits to a specific Race? If someone can just take the "Adopted" trait to pick any race trait, then why are they limited? Is it purely for flavor?

Scarab Sages

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If you're Adopted, is the trait you have as a result Social, Race, or both? For instance, could I take a race trait from my birth race and then as a social trait, get another race trait as a social trait via adopted? Could I be Suspicious and Adopted? And when will the Pathfinder update of the basic 40 traits come out?

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Karui Kage wrote:
Hey James, I've always wondered. With the "Adopted" trait, what is the point of limiting other traits to a specific Race? If someone can just take the "Adopted" trait to pick any race trait, then why are they limited? Is it purely for flavor?

It's mostly flavor. We tailor the race traits so that they make sense for the race or ethnicity they're meant to be for, after all. An elf trait might grant a +2 bonus on Knowledge (nature) and initiative checks in the woods... that flavor of trait wouldn't make sense for a dwarf, who might get a trait that gives him a +2 damage bonus against orcs and giants.

The adopted trait lets you get a trait that's normally outside of your options, since this trait's a bonus trait, it doesn't really cost anything extra to take the adopted trait, so yeah it's primarily for flavor. Which is the whole point of the trait system, really... to give characters flavor.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

logic_poet wrote:
If you're Adopted, is the trait you have as a result Social, Race, or both? For instance, could I take a race trait from my birth race and then as a social trait, get another race trait as a social trait via adopted? Could I be Suspicious and Adopted? And when will the Pathfinder update of the basic 40 traits come out?

When you pick "Adopted" you get a bonus race trait; that bonus race trait is picked from a race trait list from a race you're not technically a member of, but it doesn't count as a race trait since it's granted as a bonus trait. So yes, a dwarf could take, say, a dwarf race trait and then take Adopted to get a gnome race trait.

The Pathfinder version of the basic traits rules came out the same day the PRPG released; it's online at paizo.com. You can get them from here.

Shadow Lodge

James Jacobs wrote:

Race traits and racial traits, despite similar names, are different things.

Racial traits are the abilities you get for being a race, like darkvision or stonecunning. Those are locked in and cant be swapped around.

RACE traits are a category of character trait that, like regional traits and religion traits, appear regularly in the Pathfinder Companion line. You'll want to check those books out for the various race traits you can swap out for by taking the Adopted basic trait. If you don't have or don't use Pathfinder Companion products, then just ignore the Adopted trait because it does nothing for you.

But stonecunning IS swappable as of Advanced. So how can you say Darkvision isn't allowed, when harder to explain traits, like Dwarven Magic Resistance IS allowed? I understand the difference between Race traits and Racial traits, however no-where in any of the books I've seen differentiates this. In fact, it lists everything under racial traits in the books, even the stat adjustments and size, which are OBVIOUSLY race traits. If just being adopted by dwarves could qualify you for magic resistance.. Why then couldn't darkvision?


That's just it, though. Being adopted does not let you qualify for magic resistance.

The "Racial Traits" are swappable with under "Racial Traits as listed in the front of the APG and the new expanded Racial Options from the Advanced Race Guide. But you still need to be the appropriate race to have those "Racial Traits" options.

"Race Traits" however are far more limited, specifically to those listed at the end of the APG and the few that species specific. For example, you could be a human, adopted by dwarves, and thus have the Deep Marker Racial Trait out of Dwarves of Golarion.

For this reason, I renamed these kind of traits "Creed Traits" as they fit better with the idea that members of the same race will tend to gather and those groups, over times, form new creeds of that race, based on their location, moral outlook and prosperity, not because they are fundamentally different that others of the same race.

Much like while being a Caucasian adopted by Chinese parents might give you earlier exposure to math skills and eastern philosophy or being adopted by African tribesmen would give you earlier exposure to survival skills or better endurance, being adopted by gorillas does not give you a climb speed, nor does being adopted by wolves give you a scent ability.

Shadow Lodge

OK. I see it now.

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