Battle Oracle dip for Sohei Monk?


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Liberty's Edge

Just wondering how strong a 1 level dip for the Battle Oracle's "War Sight" revelation would be on a Sohei monk. Is it worth a 1 level dip to always act in a surprise round and roll twice for initiative?


Better dip in to somthing else 2 init Rolls are around the power level of improved initiative. Not worth loosing BaB on but if you got fates favored trait you can cast divine favor and get somthing back there. But then again what is the fun in going first if you spend the time self buffing?

Grand Lodge

No. Dipping in oracle means you're taking on a Curse that will never improve with monk levels, gain no significant boost to Saves/BAB, and delay all progression on the Sohei by a level.

All of this in order to:

A: Always act in a surprise round - This can be accomplished at a far lesser cost by investing in stealth and perception.
B: Potentially higher initiative rolls - Grab the "Improved Initiative" feat. If you're still desperate to boost initiative, take "Additional Traits" and grab the initiative boosting traits. If you want to go insane and have the 13 Charisma for it, grab Skill Focus (Knowledge) and then grab Eldritch Heritage to pick up a familiar. Composognathus boosts initiative by +4, and if it's in arm's reach, gives you +4 to perception

Sohei already improves initiative in ways that don't really interact all that well with War Sight, especially if you go all the way and reach the Level 20 Capstone.

This is all before even considering how MAD such a character concept could be.

Liberty's Edge

Well here's a separate question. When you multiclass in two classes with 3/4 BAB do they stack to improve BAB? Example: You're a level 1 Monk and you take a level 1 dip into Oracle do you advance your BAB as if you're level 2 for either of these and now have a +1 BAB? Curious because I've heard of people doing this and this does happen for Flurry of Blows (albeit that's a different thing).


No. One level of Oracle gives +0 BAB, one level of Monk gives +0 BAB. You won't have +1 BAB until level 3.

Grand Lodge

Kysune wrote:
Well here's a separate question. When you multiclass in two classes with 3/4 BAB do they stack to improve BAB? Example: You're a level 1 Monk and you take a level 1 dip into Oracle do you advance your BAB as if you're level 2 for either of these and now have a +1 BAB? Curious because I've heard of people doing this and this does happen for Flurry of Blows (albeit that's a different thing).

RAW: No. You determine the BAB you get from your class levels separately, then add them, same with Base Saves.

As a house-rule: it certainly takes a lot of the sting away from some multi-classing options.


Ms. Pleiades wrote:
No. Dipping in oracle means you're taking on a Curse that will never improve with monk levels...

Well the oracle curse does improve in half speed with non oracle levels.

But i agree that is is not worth it. For one level dip.


Ms. Pleiades wrote:
No. Dipping in oracle means you're taking on a Curse that will never improve with monk levels

False; "An oracle’s curse is based on her oracle level plus one for every two levels or Hit Dice other than oracle."

Grand Lodge

I stand corrected. Half-speed progression through the curse would still be abominable, in addition to everything else for something that could easily be reached with the myriad other ways of improving initiative.

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