item creation when it comes to items listed under monster entries.


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I have only come across one personally in game. That was a Mountain eel to create something from the hide. Can you just make it from the hide you got? Like it says in the entry? Those items are made from the parts of the monster.


There aren't any specific rules outside of just 'crafting' rules.

That said! I have a super-biologist scholar in my group who was super interested in all things related to these creatures, so I decided to offer a bonus.

I personally houseruled that it cuts down on the amount of UPB's required by 50% to craft the item, due to having a potential source for some of the materials required. The same was true for the Ksarik's my party killed and the item that can be crafted from their 'parts'.


ghostunderasheet wrote:
I have only come across one personally in game. That was a Mountain eel to create something from the hide. Can you just make it from the hide you got? Like it says in the entry? Those items are made from the parts of the monster.

The monster connection is just the history of how the item was invented. PCs still have to pay full cost when they craft, whether they're using a pile of UPBs or some of the monster plus UPBs. Anything else is a house rule.

The only exception I vaguely remember is those protoplasm missiles in AA2, I recall that you actually need some of the creature to make them at all, as a balancing measure to prevent them being a widely available option that is strictly better than the base tracking weapon options.


Xenocrats no. Because they talk about tanners in the present tense instead of the past tense. Means people are still hunting them for their leather and leather workers are still working the leather. Heck its a couple aliens favorate past time.

You only ever needed one base creature for those fancey missiles. After you get what you need you just start cloning and vat groing the parts you need.

I kinda hate upb takes the soul right out of crafting and magic item creation. No more dragon leather armor just plastic latex made from the skin cells of a dragon maybe. All upb look the same and whos to say yor dragon hide upb is not actually a recycled pile of disease dildos used by enoxian filth whores.


ghostunderasheet wrote:

Xenocrats no. Because they talk about tanners in the present tense instead of the past tense. Means people are still hunting them for their leather and leather workers are still working the leather. Heck its a couple aliens favorate past time.

Good for them. They must not be using UPBs, taking four hours, auto suceeding, or some other aspect of PC crafting rules. For PCs having that stuff doesn't help, nor is it necessary.

ghostunderasheet wrote:


You only ever needed one base creature for those fancey missiles. After you get what you need you just start cloning and vat groing the parts you need.

Nope.

Stellar Protozoa wrote:
If the PCs defeat a protozoa, a successful DC 20 Life Science check allows them to salvage enough cytoplasm to add one of the following weapons to a starship when the group has the Build Points available. The GM can also make these weapons available on the open market.

The GM has carte blanche to prevent you from making more than one per monster. Or any at all, if he doesn't want to allow the item.


-All Crafting takes time. There are no auto successes. Everything has a chance to fail. You can make something passable in four hours but nothing complicated. To create something truely amazing takes more time the longer the better.
-Unless there is an organization that is just moving all monsters to all planets then some monsters would be hunted to Extinction within a generation or two.
-And sure i can agree with that on any creature from creatures or monsters from monsters large to your size. Any monster huge and up should have more then enough undamaged parts barring time.


ghostunderasheet wrote:

-All Crafting takes time. There are no auto successes. Everything has a chance to fail. You can make something passable in four hours but nothing complicated. To create something truely amazing takes more time the longer the better.

-Unless there is an organization that is just moving all monsters to all planets then some monsters would be hunted to Extinction within a generation or two.
-And sure i can agree with that on any creature from creatures or monsters from monsters large to your size. Any monster huge and up should have more then enough undamaged parts barring time.

Excuse me, sir, this is the rules forum.


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I agree with Xenocrat: except for a few special exceptions, all you need are UPBs. Thems' tha' rules.


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I believe the core book mentions being able to "recycle" 10% of an item to go into a similar item's crafting, which is basically the same as selling an item for credits and buying UPBs. I see this as allowing the use of natural resources to get a discount on thematically appropriate items.

A GM could very well use part of the treasure budget of a creature to represent their natural materials that can be used with the remaining 90% of UPBs to make, for example, Mountain Eel Jackets. You could also treat any remainder as trade goods so that they don't have to be 10 percented AGAIN if the players don't want to use the bits to make jackets.

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