The Inner Sea Races Heritage Appendix

Great to see Carolina Eade's art again! I hope there's multiple pieces in this book, I love her art so much.

Great to see Carolina Eade's art again! I hope there's multiple pieces in this book, I love her art so much.

It sure is.

Huzzah! Really looking forward to getting this!

That had to be said officially? Couldn't trust that GMs would figure that out on their own?

To be fair to Paizo based on the horror stories I hear the answer to those questions is "Yes". It's still maybe a bit saddening that precious space, even as little as it is, has to be devoted to pointing that out.

The book doesn't directly address this, but based on Inner Sea World Guide, it should still (officially) work this way.

Aquatic elves can still take feats, traits, and alternate racial traits as if they were elves... right?

That chick dresses like my wife did in High school, except for the eye patch that is:-D

So hot!

That had to be said officially? Couldn't trust that GMs would figure that out on their own?

To be fair to Paizo based on the horror stories I hear the answer to those questions is "Yes". It's still maybe a bit saddening that precious space, even as little as it is, has to be devoted to pointing that out.

We've found that for some people, you have to explicitly give them permission or they think they're not allowed to do things. Different people play in different ways, and that's not a bad thing. :-)

The book doesn't directly address this, but based on Inner Sea World Guide, it should still (officially) work this way.

Aquatic elves can still take feats, traits, and alternate racial traits as if they were elves... right?

Aquatic elves are still elves. They have the (aquatic, elf) subtypes after their humanoid type, so anything an elf can take or do, they can do. Alternate racial traits might not work since a few of their racial traits are different than the standard elf traits, but if they match, they're good to go.

That had to be said officially? Couldn't trust that GMs would figure that out on their own?

To be fair to Paizo based on the horror stories I hear the answer to those questions is "Yes". It's still maybe a bit saddening that precious space, even as little as it is, has to be devoted to pointing that out.

And particularly in the case of PFS events and games, we HAVE to spell things like that because GMs do not have the agency to make house rules or table calls to the same extent that GMs who run home games do.

And even if we didn't, I think that this section is a GOOD ADDITION to the book, and thus a perfect and honorable and excellent use of the so-called "precious space" in the book.

OMG we finally get stats for Aquatic Elves!!! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Does this applies to Pathfinder society?

Does this applies to Pathfinder society?

I believe PFS has its own rules for non-humans, racial bonus languages, and Golarion-specific languages. It's in the Guide. An upcoming update to Additional Resources might synchronize the two, though.

Aquatic elves are not legal, unless we get a race boon for them (or Mr. Compton makes some extremely unlikely decisions when updating Additional Resources).

OMG we finally get stats for Aquatic Elves!!! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Well... you finally get them in an obvious spot, that is. Stats for aquatic elves have been in print since the Inner Sea World Guide, but they were kinda hard to notice, buried in the text for the elf entry as they were.

Correct me if I'm wrong (this may have changed since I last played PFS), but as I understand it in PFS humans get Taldane and any Ethnicity based languages (such as a Kellid's Hallit) as automatic languages. A Garundi begins play with Taldane, Osirioni, and any langues due to high intelligence (including other Human Ethnicity languages). Human Ethnicity languages are available as languages due to high intelligence to any core race.

If I'm reading this right, this would allow an Osirion Half-orc to know Orc and Osirioni before high int languages, but these rules would have no real benefit to a Garundi, as she already speaks both Osirioni and Taldane. In PFS, of course.

Correct me if I'm wrong (this may have changed since I last played PFS), but as I understand it in PFS humans get Taldane and any Ethnicity based languages (such as a Kellid's Hallit) as automatic languages. A Garundi begins play with Taldane, Osirioni, and any langues due to high intelligence (including other Human Ethnicity languages). Human Ethnicity languages are available as languages due to high intelligence to any core race.

If I'm reading this right, this would allow an Osirion Half-orc to know Orc and Osirioni before high int languages, but these rules would have no real benefit to a Garundi, as she already speaks both Osirioni and Taldane. In PFS, of course.

More or less, yes. These rules finally bring the non-human races up to par with how humans already had increased access to those languages. Which is the way it was always intended, but the disconnect between the world-neutral core rulebook and the setting itself caused a sort of glitch.

Hmm. I get the feeling that it won't be picked up in PFS, as you could then get characters at the table with no way to communicate with each other. Which can be fun if all the players are on board with it (7th sea) but problematic in organized play.

In universe: I can see the society requiring that all its agents speak Taldane before becoming field agents. Similar how anyone involved in air travel is required to speak English.

Hmm. I get the feeling that it won't be picked up in PFS, as you could then get characters at the table with no way to communicate with each other. Which can be fun if all the players are on board with it (7th sea) but problematic in organized play.

In universe: I can see the society requiring that all its agents speak Taldane before becoming field agents. Similar how anyone involved in air travel is required to speak English.

Actually, one of the reasons I wanted to make sure this was in print was SO it could be used in PFS. Believe it or not, we do want you to have fun.

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Hmm. I get the feeling that it won't be picked up in PFS, as you could then get characters at the table with no way to communicate with each other. Which can be fun if all the players are on board with it (7th sea) but problematic in organized play.

In universe: I can see the society requiring that all its agents speak Taldane before becoming field agents. Similar how anyone involved in air travel is required to speak English.

Actually, one of the reasons I wanted to make sure this was in print was SO it could be used in PFS. Believe it or not, we do want you to have fun.

I know you do! I just foresee possible complications with running a party where someone doesn't know common. If you're already working on it, then great!

Hello pf community, this post is a little off topic, but I figured I might find what I seek here. I am currently working on a writing project and would like to use mention of the iconic character Kyra, but need to know her birth year. I've searched the Pathfinder wiki site, and so far no luck, which brought me here. So if someone has that info, or can lead me in the right direction, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

James Jacobs wrote:

thistledown wrote:

Hmm. I get the feeling that it won't be picked up in PFS, as you could then get characters at the table with no way to communicate with each other. Which can be fun if all the players are on board with it (7th sea) but problematic in organized play.

In universe: I can see the society requiring that all its agents speak Taldane before becoming field agents. Similar how anyone involved in air travel is required to speak English.

Actually, one of the reasons I wanted to make sure this was in print was SO it could be used in PFS. Believe it or not, we do want you to have fun.

I know you do! I just foresee possible complications with running a party where someone doesn't know common. If you're already working on it, then great!

That's something that individual GMs, and more to the point, individual PLAYERS need to do. When you play any RPG, you're engaging in a sort of social contract, and unless there's prior understanding to the contrary, it's important for your players to be able to communicate, both among themselves and via their characters. It's just proper gaming etiquette to build a player character who can interact with the other PCs and NPCs... in the same way it's proper to not build a character that's all about PVP. That said... certain players DO take delight in building deliberately disruptive characters, and there's not much I can do about that other than to beg everyone who reads this to NOT BE THAT PERSON at the game table.

Hello pf community, this post is a little off topic, but I figured I might find what I seek here. I am currently working on a writing project and would like to use mention of the iconic character Kyra, but need to know her birth year. I've searched the Pathfinder wiki site, and so far no luck, which brought me here. So if someone has that info, or can lead me in the right direction, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks.

None of the iconics have birth years nailed down. This is intentional, so that they can remain somewhat "timeless" even as the real-world years pile on.

AKA: You get to make up whatever works for you for your writing project.

Thanks Mr. Jacobs, appreciate the response. I'll be sure that, you are one of the first few people to see the finished product, when my story is done.

Just picked up the book and am really liking what I'm seeing so far, but I had one question: Was the Kuru excluded for a reason? As far as I can tell it (and the Shabti) were the only races not represented...

Just picked up the book and am really liking what I'm seeing so far, but I had one question: Was the Kuru excluded for a reason? As far as I can tell it (and the Shabti) were the only races not represented...

Book wasn't big enough for everyone, and the Kuru are overall pretty obscure when it comes to humanity, and on top of that aren't really great PC options anyway. They work better as GM options, and leaving them mysterious is a compelling reason to not say much about them.

Book wasn't big enough for everyone, and the Kuru are overall pretty obscure when it comes to humanity, and on top of that aren't really great PC options anyway. They work better as GM options, and leaving them mysterious is a compelling reason to not say much about them.

That makes sense, they are pretty obscure indeed. I was wondering since I was intendeing to play a disaffected, banished kuru that was trying to keep her bloodlust in check. Just means I get to be creative!

Thank you for such a quick response! Love the book!