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Didnt find much that was useful while searching, so please help:
Ive got a level 7 barbarian who has taken Animal Fury (gain a bite attack) as one of the rage powers, and Lesser Beast Totem (gain 2 claws) as another. Normally he wields a greatsword, and im not sure on the number of attacks I should be making now or will get to in the future.
My BAB is +7/+2, the claws are primary natural weapons, and the bite is secondary, and I know I cant use the sword and the claws at the same time.
Ive been using the following as my attack progression:
Sword @ +7, Sword @ +2, Bite @ +2
OR
Claw x2 @ +7, Bite @ +2
Are those correct?
When I get a BAB of +11/+6/+1, then what?
Sword @ +11/+6/+1, Bite @ +6?
Claw x3 @ +11, Bite @ +6?
Thanks!
Didnt find much that was useful while searching, so please help:
Ive got a level 7 barbarian who has taken Animal Fury (gain a bite attack) as one of the rage powers, and Lesser Beast Totem (gain 2 claws) as another. Normally he wields a greatsword, and im not sure on the number of attacks I should be making now or will get to in the future.
My BAB is +7/+2, the claws are primary natural weapons, and the bite is secondary, and I know I cant use the sword and the claws at the same time.Ive been using the following as my attack progression:
Sword @ +7, Sword @ +2, Bite @ +2
OR
Claw x2 @ +7, Bite @ +2Are those correct?
Yes
When I get a BAB of +11/+6/+1, then what?
Sword @ +11/+6/+1, Bite @ +6?
Claw x3 @ +11, Bite @ +6?Thanks!
Correct again.
Ive been using the following as my attack progression:
Sword @ +7, Sword @ +2, Bite @ +2
OR
Claw x2 @ +7, Bite @ +2Are those correct?
Yep.
When I get a BAB of +11/+6/+1, then what?
Sword @ +11/+6/+1, Bite @ +6?
Claw x3 @ +11, Bite @ +6?Thanks!
All except the last line are correct. You'd still only get Claw x2 @+11, Bite @+6, unless you had some outside help granting you an extra claw attack some how.
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Ive been using the following as my attack progression:
Sword @ +7, Sword @ +2, Bite @ +2
OR
Claw x2 @ +7, Bite @ +2Are those correct?
Yep.
All except the last line are correct. You'd still only get Claw x2 @+11, Bite @+6, unless you had some outside help granting you an extra claw attack some how.
When I get a BAB of +11/+6/+1, then what?
Sword @ +11/+6/+1, Bite @ +6?
Claw x3 @ +11, Bite @ +6?Thanks!
Yup, natural attacks never improve via BaB like iterative attacks. It's at this point that you'll want to invest in Multi Attack and some armor spikes so you'll get:
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By RAW, you are correct.
However, I suspect in this case, the RAW is not RAI. The bite attack is not following the rules laid out in the bestiary (which was a later book).
I believe that RAI after bestiary release is that the bite is a primary natural attack, or secondary natural attack if used in conjunction with a weapon attack. The rules within the rage power read as if this was the case (full BAB on the bite, or BAB - 5 if used as part of a Full Attack Action, which is the normal rules for natural attack and natural attack + weapon attack).
I believe that RAI would be you treat the bite as a primary attack if all you are doing is making natural attacks (thus using Full BAB for both claws and bite), and as a secondary if you are using weapon + natural attack.
This is actually a good candidate for FAQ to clarify if the bite follows standard natural attack rules or not.
I know devs have stated that animal fury should use the bestiary rules and that it is a primaty natural attack so if your barbarian has animal fury and lesser beast totem and a BAB of +10/+5 you would attack claw x2 at +10 bite at +10 adding str damage to all three attacks.
I know devs have stated that animal fury should use the bestiary rules and that it is a primaty natural attack so if your barbarian has animal fury and lesser beast totem and a BAB of +10/+5 you would attack claw x2 at +10 bite at +10 adding str damage to all three attacks.
Do you have a link for that? I treat it as that in my game, but would be nice to know if I'm houseruling or following RAW.
I know devs have stated that animal fury should use the bestiary rules and that it is a primaty natural attack so if your barbarian has animal fury and lesser beast totem and a BAB of +10/+5 you would attack claw x2 at +10 bite at +10 adding str damage to all three attacks.Do you have a link for that? I treat it as that in my game, but would be nice to know if I'm houseruling or following RAW.
Try searching for Toothy and Razortusk. It might even be in the APG FAQ.
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found it!
Strangely enough in the errata for Dragon Deciple.
(James Jacobs 11/20/09) Unless otherwise specified, a bite attack is always a primary attack. A dragon disciple's bite attack is thus a primary attack. Of course, if the dragon disciple makes an attack with a manufactured weapon, THEN his bite is treated as a secondary attack. The bite, in any event and as far as I understand things, should inflict standard bite damage for a creature of the disciple's size, as detailed on page 302 of the Bestiary. 1d6 for Medium creatures, 1d4 for Small, 1d8 for Large. [Source]
Oh, that's good to know, definitely makes animal fury a lot better... hmmm...
*wheels spinning*
Ive been using the following as my attack progression:
Sword @ +7, Sword @ +2, Bite @ +2
OR
Claw x2 @ +7, Bite @ +2Are those correct?
Yep.
All except the last line are correct. You'd still only get Claw x2 @+11, Bite @+6, unless you had some outside help granting you an extra claw attack some how.
When I get a BAB of +11/+6/+1, then what?
Sword @ +11/+6/+1, Bite @ +6?
Claw x3 @ +11, Bite @ +6?Thanks!
Yup, natural attacks never improve via BaB like iterative attacks. It's at this point that you'll want to invest in Multi Attack and some armor spikes so you'll get:
Armor spikes +11, Claw +9, Claw +9, Bite +6
If you had multi-attack, it'd be spikes +11, claw +9, claw +9, bite +9 :)