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Game Master LitanyOfCurses

@Doomguide

The Kyton would be problematic at best. The spriggan is doable, what do you anticipate its race rp layout to be?

@Doomguide

The Kyton would be problematic at best. The spriggan is doable, what do you anticipate its race rp layout to be?

Not a clue, will look at it tonight. Yes, I am too dependent on herolab :P

@Tourach

The later list answered a lot, but I'm interested in what story you want to tell. It will be more your story than mine. I do have some old planescape adventure modules that I will be using for fodder. I'll supply adventure hooks as we move along. you can use them or ignore them. As far as I'm concerned Planescape is the ultimate sandbox.

@Veltharis

I personally prefer pre faction war. I find it far more interesting and full of tension.

Works fine for me.

As to the alignment question, I can go either way. Most of my character concepts end up on the deep end of the alignment pool - I blame a long neglected desire to try my hand at DMing - but I can do neutral or full-on goodie-two-shoes as well

Updated Factions in campaign info

From a game perspective, alignment is heavily incorporated in combat mechanics. From an RP perspective, many people in the real world would fall into the LE category. They follow the letter of the law, but are completely selfish and ruthless.

Even those who are completely corrupt, like most politicians, where insider trading is illegal for everyone but them (completely true for US congress) doesn't mean they get joy from torturing or killing people. And more often than not view themselves as good people (with enough rationalizations)

The point is good people (altruistic) and evil people (selfish to the point it harms others) work together all the time. The only alignment a party can't survive is CE characters.

I'm happy to work with any party make up, as long as you as characters can work together

Sigil Cant up on Campaign Info

@Doomguide

The Kyton would be problematic at best. The spriggan is doable, what do you anticipate its race rp layout to be?

Best i can come up with is something like this:

Let me know what you think

I would be OK with you losing the spell like abilities and using the following instead, if you would like.

Size Alteration (Su) Once per day, as a standard action, a spriggan can change his size between Small and Large. Weapons, armor, and other objects on the spriggan's person grow proportionally when he changes size (objects revert to normal size 1 round after a spriggan releases them). When a spriggan becomes Large, his speed increases to 30 feet, he gains +6 size bonus to Strength, –2 Dexterity, +4 natural armor bonus, and he takes a –2 size penalty to his AC. This power lasts for as many minutes as character has levels and can be dismissed as a free action. 6 RP

This would allow your weapons to size with you

@LitanyOfCurses

A few ideas I had for tweaks to the Modron, let me know what you think and feel free to accept or reject any of it:

I'm good with everything but master tinker. It takes a degree of creativity and experimentation, which they are not known for.

Good point.

But I forgot to add in the Natural Armor trait you listed before, so I'll remove Master Tinker, and put in Nat. Armor, and the RP works out to be correct still.

lol, ya know you don't have to squeeze every point out of it :P

yeah that fine

@LOC: Thanks for posting up all the Campaign info - I haven't had a chance to go through it all yet.

Thinking of a LE Bariaur Warpriestess, trident and shield style. Any gods in Sigil particularly use tridents? Not really wanting to be a hippocampus wannabe/follower of an aquatic god... If not, I may just go longspear.

Mostly drawn to what I remember of the Dustmen Faction...will read up tonight...

Just a note. Gods are barred from Sigil by The Lady of Pain.

The only two I know are Umberlee and a demon lord called Queen of Chaos

I would be OK with you losing the spell like abilities and using the following instead, if you would like.

Size Alteration (Su) Once per day, as a standard action, a spriggan can change his size between Small and Large. Weapons, armor, and other objects on the spriggan's person grow proportionally when he changes size (objects revert to normal size 1 round after a spriggan releases them). When a spriggan becomes Large, his speed increases to 30 feet, he gains +6 size bonus to Strength, –2 Dexterity, +4 natural armor bonus, and he takes a –2 size penalty to his AC. This power lasts for as many minutes as character has levels and can be dismissed as a free action. 6 RP

This would allow your weapons to size with you

Sounds good to me

Just a note. Gods are barred from Sigil by The Lady of Pain.

The only two I know are Umberlee and a demon lord called Queen of Chaos

Gotcha. Definitely going with the Dustmen.

Moving away with from the divine, how about an inquisitor with the Anger Inquisition, struggling to find a way to channel that anger and prove her worth with the Dustmen while approaching a more Zen consideration of life and death. Of course we'd need to work out just where her spells do come from...

If that doesn't work out, I'll go straight Slayer. Should be perfect for a Dustman agent...

There are so many Factions I like. Just saying. Makes Planescape even more interesting....

The gods are barred, that does not mean you cannot get spells. It just means that thier avatars or direct influence is forbidden.

A dustman with anger issues is a bit contradictory

Faction Overview

One of the stranger factions in Sigil are the Dustmen, a group of morbid necrophiles that believe in the simple truth that everyone is dead. They believe that the universe is merely a shadow of a happier existence, one from which we've passed on, and that we cling to a false life and emotions out of a habit, a bad habit. It is the goal of the Dustmen to break that habit. They attempt to become completely tranquil, making themselves bereft of emotion and uncaring about existence.

Please note you will be starting first level. You will be interacting with the factions and can decide whether to join later

Updated gameplay info with Harmonium felony list

LOC - yup, understood, and I did read the Dustmen entry, thus:

struggling to come to terms with that anger...while approaching a more Zen consideration of life and death.

But it's no biggie. I'll take another look at all the factions, maybe come up with a completey new concept. So many options.

I'm fine with the concept of trying to become more zen. It's the anger inquisition that would be diametrically opposed.

Anger Inquisition

Holy (or unholy) rage, granted by your patron deity, ensures that when you fight, the battle ends with a bloody victory.

Granted Powers:

Hateful Retort (Ex): Once per day, as an immediate action after you have been hit with a melee attack, you can make a melee attack against the creature that hit you. This melee attack is at your highest attack bonus, even if you’ve already attacked in the round.

Divine Anger (Ex): At 6th level, you gain the ability to rage like a barbarian. Your effective barbarian level for this ability is your inquisitor level – 3. If you have levels in barbarian, these levels stack when determining the effect of your rage. You do not gain any rage powers from this granted power, though if you have rage powers from another class, you may use them with these rages. You can rage a number of rounds per day equal to your Wisdom bonus, plus 1 round for every inquisitor level above 4th.

The gods are barred, that does not mean you cannot get spells. It just means that thier avatars or direct influence is forbidden.

As I recall, the rule saying that gods are barred from Sigil is essentially literal in nature - The Lady of Pain prevents the gods (and beings of god-like power, such as demigods and demon lords) from physically entering the City of Doors, presumably to keep the Cage from being overtly invaded by a god looking to claim it as his/her own.

The followers of the gods are generally left alone by The Lady, so long as they aren't actively breaking the other rules that tend to get one mazed or flayed. There are plenty of temples in the city, along with plenty of worshipers of any number of deities, and divine spellcasters are as capable as they would be anywhere else.

@Veltharis

that would be an accurate representation of the situation, though the real reason for the Lady's dictum is subject of much heated speculation

The last god that tried to subvert sigil had all his followers flayed.

At once.

The last god that tried to subvert sigil had all his followers flayed.

At once.

I think I'm in love

The last god that tried to subvert sigil had all his followers flayed.

At once.

Anyone that can wipe out an entire religion over the course of a single night is NOT someone you want to **** with.

I think I'm in love

Coincidentally, worshiping The Lady is also a fairly easy way of getting yourself flayed. :p

Dot for interest as I come up with a potential idea

@LOC - I'm drawn to the Suit Seeker Inquisitor Archetype.

Given the randomness of drawing two cards [determined by rolling a d6 twice and applying each roll to a "suit" 1: "Hammers" (Str), 2: "Keys" (Dex), 3: "Shields" (Con), 4: "Books" (Int), 5: "Stars" (Wis), 6: "Crowns" (Cha)] the Xaositects idea of roiling Chaos seems to fit. Ironically, the Fated aren't really about fate….

Was thinking of the Persistence or Zeal inquisition…. the Oblivion inquisition, though it sounds like it might fit the Xaositects makes no thematic sense to me whatsoever even within itself - in fact most of the inquisitions seem a bit…disjunct. As in the flavor doesn't match the crunch...

The suit seeker is fine, and really could coexist with the dustman philosophy (maintaining zen, in spite of the randomness of the world around you)

I agree the Oblivion inquisition is odd. Life anchor makes no sense.

As an inquisitor, you can choose a domain instead, which could help with the flavor you are looking for.

I know. I'm looking at those. I think I prefer the Xaositects.

Hpw about the Luck Domain?

All fated and randomness...

nothing in the build would prevent you from joining the faction

Rysky here.

Trying to decide on a class atm, probably with the Mercykillers as well.

As I'm reading it the Mercykillers hunt down transgressors for revenge, correct? Or are they the bring them back alive to be judged type?

A more accurate way to look at it:

Harmonium faction are the police.
Guvners Faction are the courts
Mercykillers dispense punishment.

Ah, okay.

Mercykillers operate Sigil's prison system, along with managing the execution of capital offenders. They also try to hunt down convicts who have escaped, a la more traditional bounty hunters.

As a faction, they believe in Justice as an underlying force of the multiverse. A criminal who is not punished appropriately for his crimes is not merely a travesty of the city's justice system (which most people will forget within a matter of weeks), it is an affront to the laws of the cosmos and any self-respecting member of the Red Death will go to any lengths necessary to bring them back either dead or in chains.

So a fair bit of both...

I can work with this. Thankies for the info :3

Thx for the heads-up LOC. I'll start on my Xaositect Bariaur Inquisitor [Suit Seeker] (Luck Domain).

LOC - sorry to be flip-flopping. I'm not feeling the Bariaur any more - not sure I can get into the four-footed/hybrid shape character. Still fine with the Inquisitor [Suit Seeker] (Luck Domain) class though.

Any chance I could play a Human Skeleton? I'm a big proponent of "not all undead are evil, nor skeletons mindless".

Would rather not use the ARG - undead are 16 RP and although I *could* use a Mixed Weakness stat array for -2 RP it wouldn't give me much to play with.

I'd rather use something approaching the Skeleton Template.

Essentially this would be a human who has died and been raised as a free-willed Skeleton as part of some grand plan she is (as yet) unaware of, and who has been driven to no small amount of chaotic mental anguish. She has joined the Xaositects and turned to the Cards as a means to both make some kind of sense of, and provide much needed succour in coping with her new state.

If not, I'll think again. :)

There are a few intelligent undead in Sigil. Like the leaders of the Dustman, but they are never seen in public. The few undead(unintelligent) that are; are servitors to the dustman, and are covered in cowls in public. They are rarely recognized as such, though it's common knowledge the Dustman use them as slave labor.

There are no laws protecting undead other than property. Destroying an undead has no repercussions in Sigil (how can you murder something that's already dead?), save from the Dustman themselves. In fact, there are any number of bashers that would try and bring a low level intelligent undead down, should it become known.

This would put an undue burden on the adventuring group as a whole. So no, you can't be undead as a race.

I'm going to try and work on Xaoc tonight. HE'll be an arcanist when he's done.

I'll have my character finished and posted tonight. Looking at a Modron Investigator (Empiricist archetype). A highly curious detail oriented type who takes notes obsessively.

EDIT: I was mistaken about sizing, and you were correct originally. Looking over the rogue Modron again from 2e, they are all slow and medium sized. So I will change from small to medium for the class.

@LOC: Eh, fair enough. Didn't think so. Doesn't hurt to try. Back to the drawing board.

Rereading the actual thread (durr!) I see that we have no faction at the start. And seeing as Tark is looking like his character will embody Chaos, I'll just settle down a bit and let the Factions appeal to my final character. Whatever race he or she is. ;)

Thanks for all the info and advice so far LOC, and for being patient with my outre requests.

Vegepygmy? Oh, that's right, they can't actually freaking talk which would also place undue strain on the party. ;p Couldn't easily reconcile the class choice with a vegepygmy backstory anyway...at least without reskinning the Cards as oracular reeds or beads or similar...

How about a wingless Harpy?

@LitanyOfCurses, here is my submission, I assumed the standard starting gold of 150, but I can make adjustments as needed to my equipment. If anything doesn't seem to flow right with the campaign as you envisioned it, let me know, and I can rework it. (I can also work up a more traditional character submission, such as a human or tiefling, if you would prefer that).

Box is a rogue modron who has ended up hipped in Sigil. It is unknown why he was separated from Primus and ended up away from Mechanus, and it is unknown exactly how long ago this happened. But what is known is that he's been stuck banging around The Cage becoming engrossed in finding out everything there is to know about everything. He is driven to sort all the facts of the planes into a structured, ordered model of everything. He is also determined to understand more about his new-found place in the multiverse as an individual instead of one of the Marchers. He still struggles greatly with social interactions and grasping the chaos of humanoid interactions, but he is making progress.

Box's name came from the fact that nearly every berk in the Cage called him "Box," so Box assumed that must be his name.

looks good, you might have heard the term gearhead more often. but box is good

@Oceanshieldwolf

A wingless harpy? isn't that just an old woman...

How do you imagine the rp layout to be?

Here is Urgiz my Spriggan street thug. If we are melee heavy i can retool as an alchemist also.

@Oceanshieldwolf

A wingless harpy? isn't that just an old woman...

How do you imagine the rp layout to be?

Ummm... poor? ;p

I don't think Captivating Song would be a good thing for a player to have...and if I took that and flight away I'd just have a feral crazed taloned woman with darkvision, some perception bonus and +1 natural armor. Oh and a predilection for making shivs out of people's jawbones...

Ok, I'm going to go Sylph with the Breeze-Kissed and Like the Wind Alternate Racial traits.