Reign of Winter (Inactive)

Game Master Just a Mort

Moral of story: For AP work, do not build your character around a specific item, unless you start with it, otherwise you may not ever get it.

There is a huge difference between building for a specific item and what I was asking for.

I wanted a cheap Staff because this is the first time I've reached this level in Pathfinder with an arcane character. The one I have a chance of getting can do about 17.5 damage a round or improve my AC and prevent the same damage a round from a common spell. I would be better off taking Quicken metamagic feat.

It isn't like this in all APs.

Kingmaker you build your own magic mart. Really, the best economy buildings are those that produce magic items. You do need to be able to use a certain type of item, but you know what types of items are culturally appropriate for the area. I haven't read the AP (just played through it) so I don't know what they say about potentially adjusting the McGuffin in it -- seems there is one item you get that the group needs to be able to use or it is TPK.

Rise of the Runelords you go through Magnimar multiple times. Population 16,428.
http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Magnimar

Hell's Rebels is in Kintargo. Population 11,900.
http://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Kintargo

If we are going by GM Guide settlements, that would make them both large cities, so limit of 50K.

Those are the APs I've seen so far.

Now all that said, you are being kinder than the normal rules by allowing the upgrade dust. Still, it is incorrect to say that APs don't have a magical marketplace.

I didn't see no magic mart in Serpents Skull...

And yes in ROTR, we were in Magnimar(like you guys were in Whitethrone), then we were off somewhere in the middle of some country backwater.

I suspect that Tiny Coffee Golem didn't quite know what he was talking about with regards to the ethereal plane:

Ethereal plane:

No Gravity
Alterable Morphic: The plane contains little to alter, however.
Mildly Neutral-Aligned
Normal Magic: Spells function normally on the Ethereal Plane, though they do not cross into the Material Plane. The only exceptions are spells and spell-like abilities that have the force descriptor and abjuration spells that affect ethereal beings; these can cross from the Material Plane to the Ethereal Plane. Spellcasters on the Material Plane must have some way to detect foes on the Ethereal Plane before targeting them with force-based spells. While it’s possible to hit ethereal enemies with a force spell cast on the Material Plane, the reverse isn’t possible. No magical attacks cross from the Ethereal Plane to the Material Plane, including force attacks.

Or maybe edition wars, I dunno.

Zilvazaraat is the equivalent of a large city. 8k base value, 50k purchase limit, same as the towns you listed.

Base Value and Purchase Limit: This section lists the community's base value for available magic items in gp. There is a 75% chance that any item of this value or lower can be found for sale in the community with little effort. If an item is not available, a new check to determine if the item has become available can be made in 1 week. A settlement's purchase limit is the most money a shop in the settlement can spend to purchase any single item from the PCs. If the PCs wish to sell an item worth more than a settlement's purchase limit, they'll either need to settle for a lower price, travel to a larger city, or (with the GM's permission) search for a specific buyer in the city with deeper pockets. A settlement's type sets its purchase limit.

Alright, I totally misunderstood how magic items and settlements work.

Given that, Z's limits don't seem that bad. Still strange that the limit is 8K for finding magical items to buy. This means the rules as written don't allow you to buy a +2 weapon (based 8300 plus cost of weapon). Guess it is a matter of too much PFS and never having to worry about this sort of problem.

Guess I will need to think about how badly I want some items.

Well...Crummock was suggesting a side trip to the City of Brass via planeshift - which IS possible, but I guess there will be some kind of price involved...

Note this bit:

"Even though many efreet are happy to trade with others, their inherent racial prejudice means that most feel little compunction in taking advantage of, or even robbing and enslaving outsiders who show weakness."

You can get a +2 item. MW item? Buy upgrade dust to +1. (2k) Buy upgrade dust from +1 to +2 (6k). Call it a day. That is, of course if your 1d100 favours you.

Since both jumps were not more then 8k, you're cool.

Opuline vault (earth plane) is likely to get us a better deal.

The upgrade dust is your rules, not the rules as written.

Rules as written you can't get to the +2 weapon because it is the total value of the item. Costs +300 to get a masterwork weapon which is required for enchanting. From there, you need another 8000 to enchant it to +2.

That means it is automatically over 8K.

Still need to decide on my last feat, but I'm going to give up on the idea of a staff.

Amusing thought: A wizard can cast Form of the Dragon on their familiar and then Transformation. Since only one of them is a Polymorph spell, they would both work.

I'm not going to be doing this -- I don't want my familiar killed. Still, I do find it an amusing thought experiment.

Do you have the city stats for Opuline vaults? Crummock did send me the stats for city of brass.

Form of the dragon and transformation work. I know people who turn their imps(one of the best improved familiars) into dragons via form of the dragon. They don't even bother about transformation. 4 armed gargoyles are still better for beatsticking(all primary attacks) until you get to the last few forms.

Seriously though, Mr Z is the only merchant you get, AP as written. So anything else is a deviation.

It looks like the Opaline Vault is defined in two different places. I know that there is a level 1-5 PFS Scenario also set there -- I've played it.

This is the season for elemental stuff.

BTW, Mr. Whiskers eyes are going to turn blue soon. He will also be buying a lot of diamond dust. I believe you've not placed a limit on it, if you want to please let me know soon.

Shopping list:

Belt Con +2, 4K Can Z find it: 1d100 ⇒ 55
Ioun Stone, Cracked Magenta Prism, 800 Can Z find it: 1d100 ⇒ 1
Rod, Lesser Metamagic Disruptive, 3K Can Z find it: 1d100 ⇒ 87 Maybe later?
+1 Mithral Spiked Guantlet, 2505 Can Z find it: 1d100 ⇒ 7

Permanency spells:
Arcane Sight, 7500 in diamond dust
See Invisible, 5000 in diamond dust

Scribing:
Arcane Sight, 90

Will be scribing more, need to review battlefield control spells.

Feat:
Seriously considering Signature Skill in Fly just for fun and because it fits the character.

@Mort Let me know if you don't want to allow Signature Skill from Pathfinder Unchained.

Unfortunately, Paizo have not actually *published* the 'City' stats for many place that are not on the prime material plane (for some bizarre reason, they assume that most APs take place on Golarion!).

The following is the complete list that I am aware of (and these were only published within the last year):

Armun Kelisk (Plane of Air, CG) - Base Value 29600, Purchase Limit 170,000
Opaline Vault (Plane of Earth, LN) - BV and Purchase Limit as above
City of Brass (Plane of Fire, LE) - BV and PL as above (note, this is different to the originally published stats, which were much higher)
Vialesk (Plane of Water, N) - BV 34,400, PL 220,000.

Out of all of those options, I would recommend only visiting Armun Kelisk - since Plane Shift has you arriving 5d100 miles off target...

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Regarding purchasing and crafting, it definitely varies from one AP to another.

For example, Serpent's Skull mostly takes place in the middle of the jungle, away from markets, whilst Jade Regent quite literally involves a year or so of just traveling, providing a ridiculous amount of crafting time...

I almost have Einar's crunch updated and I'm starting to work on his 'purchase order'

I apologize in advance for asking a question that I remember somebody already posting the answer to, but I'm too lazy to go looking for it.

How many ioun stones can a character be using at one time?

@Einar: RAW, there is no limit.

One of my PFS characters has what I affectionately refer to as an 'oort cloud' of ioun stones (all of the +1 skill cracked ioun stones, as well as a few more).

How many ioun stones can a character be using at one time?

As many as they can afford.

Some don't stack, but they are slotless items and there is no limit on the number you can have up at one time.

So, anyone for some planar adventures before the next book?

Go ahead for signature skill.

I may be a little slow in updating. I know that I will not be updating tonight, and may not tomorrow either.

I just came home and found my home had been broken into. I've got to put things back and figure out what was stolen.

Sorry!

Very sorry to hear about the break-in, I hope it's not as terrible as it sounds. I would freak out. Take your time.

Sh*t. That's one nasty mess to clear up - I hope they catch the culprit.

Made a police report yet?

Made the police report, trying to figure out what is missing.

Looks like they got my social security card, passport, and some of my other personal records. I'm still sorting through what is missing.

I've already contacted my bank and filed online about the stolen passport.

What to do if your house has been broken into guide

Call your insurance as well.

sorry I'm taking so long Mort, which would help things move along faster, Einar totally ready at 13th level or a complete wish list retconed for the genie? I'm off Wednesday so I will have both done before I go to bed.

Actually why I'm sitting here is because:

1) I asked the party if they wanted to go for extra planar adventures (aka plane of Air) before start of Book 5, and NO ONE replied.

Get what I mean by if I don't push, nothing happens?

2) Mr Whiskers's house just got burgled. Give him some time to sort it out.

will do, I just wanted to make sure of what I needed to do next, we normally start the next book, and if I don't have spells or feats for Einar, I go with what I have and put them in when I have it sorted out.

IF we go on a planar adventure would it increase our base value or purchasing limit?

Yes it would, now let me go look up on what I can throw at you from the plane of air ^^

Thanks for giving me time to sort things out.

By about this time tomorrow hopefully I'll have the most urgent things settled.

Should you decide to go to the plane of air, I will allow retcon of earlier purchases from Mr Z.

I didn't post, because I am happy with my purchases (for the most part).

speaking of purchases does this ioun stone stack with our cloaks?

Does NOT. It's resistance bonus.

*Grumbly, growly noise*

*throws a CRB at Einar for a blatant rule violation*

hey it was a question, not a violation...

Generally bonuses of the same type do not stack, except for dodge bonuses(but they are rare as heck, and don't think dodge bonuses apply to anything else except AC).

Cracked Pale Green Prism - + 1 COMPETENCE bonus to saves
Cloak of resistance + 3 RESISTANCE bonus to saves

The only other item for saves you can get is luck...this, or this(but clashes with your charisma headband) or an actual luckstone.

Crummock might know more, but I'm not him.

I'm pretty much ready, but will probably spend most of my money on Incense.

15, 19, 24, 26 May, 2nd June are my actual exam dates. So my activity will be suspect in those. Level yourselves to 13 if you have not already.

Greta:
Female winter wolf lorewarden 6
AC 20, touch 13, flat-footed 16; Speed 30 ft.;
Hp 110
Fort +16, Ref +13, Will +11
Melee +1 Ranseur ; +16 (2d4+7)
Space 5 ft.; Reach 10 ft.;
CMB +17(21 to trip); CMD 31
STATISTICS Str 16, Dex 16, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 15, Cha 14
Base Atk +12
Feats Improved Initiative, Power Attack, Combat Reflexes, Skill Focus (Perception), Narrow frame , Phalanx Formation, Iron Will, Improved trip, Greater Trip, Dazing assault
Languages: Draconic, Triaxian
Skills
Linguistics +7, Perception +14, Sense Motive +6, Stealth +8(+14 in snow),Survival +8, Profession (Guard)+6, Profession (cook) +6, Knowledge local +8, Knowledge Geography +8, knowledge Engineering +8, Knowledge religion +6, Knowledge planes +5, Knowledge arcana +6, knowledge nature +8, knowledge dungeoneering +14, knowledge nobility +8, knowledge history +7, intimidate +6, Escape artist +3, Fly +13
Gear
Signal whistle, pathfinder chronicles for all knowledges, one potion of CMW, saddle bags, elven chain, adamantine longsword, Einar’s old belt of giant strength +2, Amulet of natural armor
Weapon training: natural weapons

I will be on a train or at PaizoCon from May 23rd to June 1. I have no idea what the WiFi situation on the train will be, but don't expect much from me during PaizoCon.

I should have time to post this afternoon. Sorry about the delay. Side trip to Air sounds fine to me.

Edit: Seems we are just charging into it!

Are we skipping elemental plane?
Can I get an answer GM if I managed to buy incense.

@Seraphine
Based on gameplay and this comment, I think we are skipping it.

If you are crafting the incense, just report how much you can craft. If you are buying it, just report how much you bought. Based on what I've seen of Mort's style it is better to just report and they will correct you if any changes are needed.

@Mort
In order to make sure I have everything, I am repeating some of it. The availability rolls were already done.

Scribe scroll:
Shatter 75 gp
Locate Object, CL 6, 150 gp
Arcane Eye, 350 gp
Getaway, 825 gp

Spells copied into spellbooks:
Page Bound Epiphany, Web, Arcane Sight, Major Image, Raging Rubble, Wall of Nausea, Wall of Stone, Summon Monster V (total 940 gp)

Purchases:
Headband Int +4 (Escape Artist, Sense Motive, Giant, Triaxian)
Belt Con +2
Ioun stone, cracked magenta
+1 Mithral spiked gauntlet

Permanant Arcane Sight, See Invisibility (total 12500 gp)

Also purchased caldron and empty book in order to use preparation ritual and page bound epiphany.

Yeah I read that post and then further down

Yes it would, now let me go look up on what I can throw at you from the plane of air ^^

/shrug

Anyway I can craft two incense, which costs 2450 each.
Total 4,900 for 2 blocks crafting

26980.45 starting total
After crafting I'm left with 24,530
Buying in bulk is 4900 each

I should be able to buy 5 more in addition to the two I craft giving me 7 blocks of Incense.

Now I rolled once for the individual item last page, unsure if Mort wants me to roll again for how much of the item he has in stock.

Dice: 1d100 ⇒ 51
Dice: 1d100 ⇒ 63
Dice: 1d100 ⇒ 52
Dice: 1d100 ⇒ 93
Dice: 1d100 ⇒ 74
Dice: 1d100 ⇒ 30

What happened was that since the only answer I got from the party re: elemental plane was that Crummock said he was happy with his purchases, so we skipped it.

So you did not manage to buy anything from Mr Z, as per this roll. After crafting for a week, you get 3 blocks more incense from Mr Z. Once the roll for the item fails, it fails, you don't get to retry.

Total number of blocks of incense: 5

If you were going to the Plane of Air, it wouldn't be as simple as I go there, buy my stuff. I'd be doing you a disfavour if it was - that's why I had given the traits of the plane of air and actually requested for the buff list.

Crummocks dusty rose prism: 1d100 ⇒ 12
Crummocks scroll of permanency: 1d100 ⇒ 34

After a week, Crummock gets his scroll of permanency and his dusty rose prism.

Sorry, I took so long, Einar is at 13, and this is the list of items he wishes to buy with there success rolls.

3,000 gp. Body wrap of mighty strikes <75: 1d100 ⇒ 56
2,000 gp. eyes of deahwatch <75: 1d100 ⇒ 42
1,050 gp. burglars bracers <75: 1d100 ⇒ 1
8,000 gp. Deep Red Sphere (Ioun Stone) <75: 1d100 ⇒ 98
5,000 gp. Dusty Rose Prism (Ioun Stone) <75: 1d100 ⇒ 77
500 gp. Cracked Dusty Rose Prism (Ioun Stone) <75: 1d100 ⇒ 19
200 gp. Cracked Incandescent Blue Sphere (Ioun Stone) <75: 1d100 ⇒ 77
8.000 gp. Pink Rhomboid (Ioun Stone) <75: 1d100 ⇒ 25
1,000 gp. Tourmaline Sphere (Ioun Stone) <75: 1d100 ⇒ 2

all right I will recalculate my expenditure and place the items on Einars list, and post in game.

Good luck speaking to those guys...unless you speak Russian. There were lots of Russian books in Baba Yaga's library so should you want to speak Russian, you could have...

Cracked Incandescent Blue Sphere: 1d100 ⇒ 33
Deep Red Sphere: 1d100 ⇒ 31

After a week of crafting, Mr Z comes back with those items.

Note this Re: Deathwatch

If you UMD a scroll of permanency Mr Whiskers scribed, you can make your own see invisibility permanent.

well since I didn't get everything on the first wish list can I talk to the genie about this? Is it possible Russian is available?

5,000 GP. Gold Nodule <75: 1d100 ⇒ 72

Hey, I like that roll better now, any chances here?

The library has books in triaxian and russian. Should you wish to put a rank in linguistics, go ahead. And I suppose you can, on gold nodule.

You still can't speak, though.

ok, since you rerolled the two ioun stones, I will purchase them instead of the Gold Nodule and take a linguistics in Russian...

Is it possible to use the roll for the gold nodule, that I no longer need, as a reroll for the dusty rose prism?

Go ahead...

I took Russian as a language. Once we know that is the language we have to deal with, Mr. Whiskers could share it. Main problem is limited prepared slots.

Have to add two more purchases I had neglected.

Scribe Keep Watch, 10 gp
Spell Lattice, 1st level spell, 1000 gp.

Please roll your d100 for spell lattice unless you want me roll it for you.