I'd like to see Remaster versions of Summoner, Psychic, Thaumaturge, and Magus


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Restricting magus from focus spellstrikes does less than you'd expect. While still categorically inferior, gouging claw + force fang gets very close and its deficiencies aren't universally applicable (you don't mind some of the damage being a DoT against bosses, you probably still overkill mooks, not everything has resist all or bleed immunity, etc).

Nobody ever remembers the humble force fang waiting to reclaim its place as the recharge action of choice once the magus loses higher value focus point outlets.

And you still archetype psychic anyway to get to three focus points ASAP and give yourself free slots for true strike, illusory object, etc


I mean, you're still spending an additional action for more damage. Unless you're a Starlit Span that third action might not even be available if you plan on Spellstriking

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I rather like force fang, it's the only damaging magus focus spell that doesn't worry about MAP. I used it quite a lot. It's precisely as good as it needs to be.


Force Fang is a nice focus spell. I use it more than any other magus focus spell for recharge. One of the reasons why the magus simple, but efficient play-style makes it a good class.


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I suspect that the Psychic Dedication feat itself will also get some changes if/when the Psychic gets a remaster pass. I can see a world where the focus pool and ability to amp your psi cantrips gets moved to a separate level 4 feat, bringing it in line with how all of the other spellcasting dedications gain a focus pool. This wouldn't really change how other classes currently use it but it would require more investment.


A Magus can have somewhere between 7 and 9 cantrips by level 2 depending on whether you're playing with FA or not. I think that should be enough to spread around and get almost every damage type

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I know quite a few people like FA, but I don't think the non-optional game design should be based on optional rules.


Ascalaphus wrote:
I know quite a few people like FA, but I don't think the non-optional game design should be based on optional rules.

Even without it you can still have 9 cantrip slots by 4th.


unless paizo change the rule about conflux spell recharge spellstrike and add attack focus spell

not sure how they can fundamentally improve magus despite it have useless class feature and terrible feat pool


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gesalt wrote:

Restricting magus from focus spellstrikes does less than you'd expect. While still categorically inferior, gouging claw + force fang gets very close and its deficiencies aren't universally applicable (you don't mind some of the damage being a DoT against bosses, you probably still overkill mooks, not everything has resist all or bleed immunity, etc).

Nobody ever remembers the humble force fang waiting to reclaim its place as the recharge action of choice once the magus loses higher value focus point outlets.

And you still archetype psychic anyway to get to three focus points ASAP and give yourself free slots for true strike, illusory object, etc

Eh, I think everyone would, in fact, be happier if the Magus primarily uses their focus points on Force Fang - for one, it means that when your subclass conflux spell is a better choice than Force Fang you'd use it, which is better than the current situation of not using it because you could be casting imaginary weapon again.

I would probably tweak Force Fang to have a fixed 10ft range to also nerf archer turrets on top of that but it's not necessary

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Riddlyn wrote:
Ascalaphus wrote:
I know quite a few people like FA, but I don't think the non-optional game design should be based on optional rules.
Even without it you can still have 9 cantrip slots by 4th.

You can have a lot more than that, if you're gonna sink Cantrip Expansion feats, ancestry cantrips and spellhearts into it.

But my proposal was to give a few more cantrips FOR FREE, because those feat slots should go to other things. We've been talking about making more exciting options for what you can do on turns when you're not spellstriking.

Just thought of another one.

Recharging Kata (2 actions)
Step or Stride, Strike and recharge your spellstrike.

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For what it's worth, Barnes & Noble seems to have leaked the upcoming remastered Dark Archive via its online storepage: Link


Veltharis wrote:
For what it's worth, Barnes & Noble seems to have leaked the upcoming remastered Dark Archive via its online storepage: Link

Sweet! February of next year.


Great news! I hope Psychic gets a spell slot boost.


Amazon link of this leak too.

But this makes me think that SoM maybe really would not remastered but replace by other(s) book(s) instead. I know that Paizo public statement about this say that they will release remastered books as long the books are becoming out-of-stock buy I doubt that SoM sells less than DA or TV. So probably the real reason that we don't get a SoM remastered announcement/leak up to now probably is because we won't get such book.


For the Thaumaturge, I'm hoping for some ease on the implement change burden. Each passive implement should get an active component, meaning it would be easier to switch to passives also. Otherwise it looks to be playable as is, something I'm soon to find out.

But good news, to see a remaster coming for both the Psychic and the Thaumaturge.


YuriP wrote:

Amazon link of this leak too.

But this makes me think that SoM maybe really would not remastered but replace by other(s) book(s) instead. I know that Paizo public statement about this say that they will release remastered books as long the books are becoming out-of-stock buy I doubt that SoM sells less than DA or TV. So probably the real reason that we don't get a SoM remastered announcement/leak up to now probably is because we won't get such book.

This was already guessed by almost everyone given that two of the headliner archetypes (elementalist and runelord) were reprinted and remastered and half the book lore talks about nonexistant spell schools. Of course, Divine Mysteries did reference SoM so maybe the remastered book will be called the same while having very different content.

I feel like Book of the Dead is going into the Impossible Playtest book, so that's... everything remastered? Everything that matters, at least.

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