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Hi all,
I want to play a multiclass druid. But i have some questions about how the bonusses work from some a feat and a character class.
I want to pick the bear shaman. They have a bonus to wild shape if you turn into a bear:
Wild Shape (Su)
At 6th level, a bear shaman’s wild shape ability functions at her druid level – 2. If she takes on the form of a bear, she instead uses her druid level + 2.
Also I'm planning to take the Shaping focus feat from ultimate magic:
Your powers of shapeshifting outstrip your dabbling in the druidic faith.
Prerequisites: Wild shape class feature, Knowledge (nature) 5 ranks.
Benefit: If you are a multiclassed druid, your wild shape ability is calculated as though your druid level were four higher, to a maximum level equal to your character level.
Special: This feat has no effect if you are not a multiclassed druid.
Is it correct that if I level to level 14 druid with level level 4 ranger trapper that my wild shape ability functions when I take a bear form like a Level 20 druid?? So I get to wild shape at will? And if i take an other form my wild shape is that of a level 16 druid? Wild shape 7 times a day? Of does the bonus only count for choosing which forms you can turn into? And what if the above is correct, if you turn 6 times into a bear for example, can you then still turn 7 times into an other creature or only 1 more time and then still into a bear as much as you'd like?
Hope someone can answer this question!
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Hi all,
I want to play a multiclass druid. But i have some questions about how the bonusses work from some a feat and a character class.
Hope someone can answer this question!
My advice is to break this down.
Your first question is how does a bear shaman druid work with wildshape. If you were a level 18 druid then how would it work in regards to wildshaping into a bear/ non-bear.
Your second question- your level 14 bear shaman druid/4 other would be treated like a level 18 bear shaman druid with your feat there.
Breaking things down like this can help clean it up and make it easier to answer.
As to the first question.. I think that all aspects of wild shape are altered here. You don't gain wild shape until level 6 instead of level 4. It's not that you go from level 5 to a lesser wild shape at level 6 with regards to non-bears.
With that in mind if the higher wildshape ability gives extra uses, then after so many uses of wildshape then you may only use the last ones for bears. To whit after 3 uses let's say that you would be out of wildshapes for your level - 2, but would have two more wildshapes for your level +2. At this point you only would have 2 uses of wildshape remaining and they could only be into a bear.
-James
I don't think this is how it was written OR intended.
Wild shape at 4th level is not changed in any way, so at 4th and 5th level it doesn't matter what you wild shape into. At 6th level, you begin to specialize in bear forms, and your wild shape starts functioning as if you were 8th level if you're a bear, and 4th level for other animals. However, this doesn't change the actual wild shape ability in any other way, so you'll still only be able to use wild shape twice per day at 6th level, even if you turn into a bear. So, to answer the OP's first question, yes, at level 18 you can turn into a bear as if you're level 20, but you can't do it at will.
Next question: how does Shaping Focus affect a multiclassed Bear Shaman?
The simple answer to this is that a Druid 14/Ranger 4 would be able to use Wild Shape as if he were 18th level (14 + 4 = 18, your total character level). Since you're doing the Bear Shaman, this bumps up to 20th level, so you'd be able to turn into a bear as if you were a 20th level druid, BUT you'd still only be able to wild shape up to 6 times per day (because you're still only a level 14 Druid).
Thanks for the reactions... but'I'm even more confused now :-(
I think breaking it down is a good start.
1. Example: How does wild shape function for a druid level 10:
What shapes?
At 10th level, a druid can use wild shape to change into a Large elemental or a Large plant creature. When taking the form of an elemental, the druid’s wild shape now functions as elemental body III. When taking the form of a plant, the druid’s wild shape now functions as plant shape II.
How many times?
A druid can use this ability an additional time per day at 6th level and every two levels thereafter, for a total of eight times at 18th level. At 20th level, a druid can use wild shape at will. As a druid gains in levels, this ability allows the druid to take on the form of larger and smaller animals, elementals, and plants. Each form expends one daily usage of this ability, regardless of the form taken.
-->Total of 4/day at level 10 (Please not, this is important for later... The number of times per day is part of the wild shape ability.... in my opinion)
How long?
The effect lasts for 1 hour per druid level, or until she changes back. Total of 10 hours at druid L/10
2. How does this work for a level 10 bear shaman?
Replaced wild shape ability for a Bear shaman: Wild Shape (Su)
At 6th level, a bear shaman’s wild shape ability functions at her druid level – 2. If she takes on the form of a bear, she instead uses her druid level + 2.
What shapes?
For non-bear shapes the druid level is not 10 but 8. So I guess you can only select shapes availible to a druid at level 8. So when turning to level 6, you don't get any extra shapes. At level 8 you get the shapes you normally get at level 6 and so on.
For bear shapes, you can at level 6 use the level 8 wild shape skill to turn into huge creatures (it functions like beast shape III), so you can select the dire bear shape). Normally at level six you only can select large animals (so get acces to the grizzly and the polar bear shape). For a level 10 druid you don't get any bonusses for gaining the level 12 shapes.
How many times?
For non-bear shapes you are a level 8 druid. So 3/day. For bear shapes you are a level 12 druid. So 5/day. I think the number of times you can shape is part of the shape change skill, therefor it is influenced by the shaman bear rules. So I think james maissen and cartmanbeck is wrong (sorry :-))… but who am I…
How long?
Non-bear shapes get 8 hours per transformation. Bear shapes get 12.
3. What about a ranger/bear shaman druid with the Shaping focus feat?
Ranger L2 + Druid L5 = Non-bear shapes druid level 2+5-2=5, bear shapes druid level 2+5+2 = 9.
Ranger L5 + Druid L10 = Non-bear shapes druid level 4+10-2=12, bear shapes druid level 4+10+2 = 16.
Ranger L3 + Druid L15 = Non-bear shapes druid level 3+15-2=16, bear shapes druid level 3+15+2 = 20.
So the Ranger L3/Druid L15 gets 7 wild shapes a day for non-bear shapes and unlimited for bear shapes. If he for example turns to a bear 5 times, he has only 2 other shapes left, but still unlimited bear shapes.
Are these examples correct? This is what I make of it with the given explanations and my own interpretation.
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Thanks for the reactions... but'I'm even more confused now :-(
I think breaking it down is a good start.
1. Example: How does wild shape function for a druid level 10:
What shapes?
At 10th level, a druid can use wild shape to change into a Large elemental or a Large plant creature. When taking the form of an elemental, the druid’s wild shape now functions as elemental body III. When taking the form of a plant, the druid’s wild shape now functions as plant shape II.How many times?
A druid can use this ability an additional time per day at 6th level and every two levels thereafter, for a total of eight times at 18th level. At 20th level, a druid can use wild shape at will. As a druid gains in levels, this ability allows the druid to take on the form of larger and smaller animals, elementals, and plants. Each form expends one daily usage of this ability, regardless of the form taken.
-->Total of 4/day at level 10 (Please not, this is important for later... The number of times per day is part of the wild shape ability.... in my opinion)How long?
The effect lasts for 1 hour per druid level, or until she changes back. Total of 10 hours at druid L/102. How does this work for a level 10 bear shaman?
Replaced wild shape ability for a Bear shaman: Wild Shape (Su)
At 6th level, a bear shaman’s wild shape ability functions at her druid level – 2. If she takes on the form of a bear, she instead uses her druid level + 2.What shapes?
For non-bear shapes the druid level is not 10 but 8. So I guess you can only select shapes availible to a druid at level 8. So when turning to level 6, you don't get any extra shapes. At level 8 you get the shapes you normally get at level 6 and so on.
For bear shapes, you can at level 6 use the level 8 wild shape skill to turn into huge creatures (it functions like beast shape III), so you can select the dire bear shape). Normally at level six you only can select large animals (so get acces to the grizzly and the polar bear shape). For a level 10 druid you...
I agree with all of your examples. After re-reading the Shaping Focus feat, I can agree that based on the wording, you could say that the number of times per day is also affected by Shaping Focus AND the Bear Shaman's -2/+2 ability, though I don't think this was intended. As written, though, all of your examples shown here are correct.
I still believe you gain wild shape at level 4 because as written, it does not say that you gain wild shape at level 6 INSTEAD OF level 4. At level 6, your non-bear transformations reduce back to as if you were level 4, which only actually affects the duration (4 hours at 6th level as opposed to 5 hours at 5th level)
Im playing a wolf shaman in a PBP on this board and my DM ruled that I could only wild shape into wolf form until 6th level at which point I would gain other forms as if I was level 4 and my wolf forms as if level 8.
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I don't think this is how it was written OR intended.
From the guy who wrote it:
RAW in this case, due to my ambiguous and unclear writing, is an arguable point.
RAI, however, is, was, and always has been entirely clear: animal shaman druids DO NOT GET ANY WILD SHAPE until 6th level, period, end of story. That is the Rule As Intended.
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I don't think this is how it was written OR intended.From the guy who wrote it:
RAW in this case, due to my ambiguous and unclear writing, is an arguable point.
RAI, however, is, was, and always has been entirely clear: animal shaman druids DO NOT GET ANY WILD SHAPE until 6th level, period, end of story. That is the Rule As Intended.
Nice job finding that, he should probably do an official FAQ about it.
Nice job finding that, he should probably do an official FAQ about it.
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