So my girlfriend and I are a playing a fairly homebrewed version of Strange Aeons. She went in wanting to play a controller. The gm told her a lot of stuff is going to be immune to mind control so she needs to be prepared. Her interpretation was the being a controller won't work. I have TRIED MANY MANY times to explaining controlling isn't just mind control but also things like web and pit traps, haste and slow, grease etc, and she's like yup, sure uh-huh, then preps nothing but blasting spells and tells me she can't control because they are immune. I have told her to go read her spells, and look around and I again get the same response. So I would like people to list a few of the favorite control spells for level 1-9 if they could and don't mind!
L1: Adhesive spiitle, burning disarm, grease, web bolt
L2:Blindness/deafness, create pit, web
L3:mad monkeys, slow,spiked pit
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Listing spells doesn't sound like it's going to help.
Your girlfriend may be saying she wants to be a "controller" but what she means is "mind-controller."
Pointing out a bunch of spells that don't control minds isn't going to help with that fundamental disconnect between what she wants to do and what you're telling her she can do.
Perhaps instead we could provide a list of ways to overcome the normal immunities to mind-affecting abilities? Such as Coaxing Spell or Threnodic Spell.
Yeah, it sounds like she wants the enchantress, mind-control stuffs, more than battlefield control... so we should be looking at ways to overcome the immunities her enemies/targets might have.
There are lots of archetypes/bloodlines/classes that allow your mind-affecting effects to work against the Animals/Constructs/Plants/Undead... why didn't the GM just point her in the right direction, rather than shooting her down?
The GM doesn't sound very experienced. Maybe he didn't realize there were ways around the problems.
The problem is that the character is already in play. So, it's going to be hard to switch to the player's original desires.
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Strange Aeons… that's the one with Aberrant creatures, right? Are there lots of undead in that one? If so, pad300's advice is spot on. If you're looking to control aberrations, there may be bigger challenges at play. It may simply be that foes are afflicted with either an alien mind or some form of madness that immunizes them from "mind control" type spells, and I don't know of a work around for that.
Correct: plenty of aberrant creatures and undead.
FWIW. I'm playing a caster focused half-orc Speaker for the Past Heavens Shaman in Strange Aeons (currently in Book 6). While very suitable for the AP, this might not be the best choice for you girlfriend: there's a lot of complex things going on with this combination.
EDIT: It's OK to have Mind Affecting spells, but you need to have a plan B for when you run into immunities.
EDIT: Another player is playing a Madness domain Witch, based on the Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland. While limited at times, it's certainly thematic: his character IS insane!
if she play as an soceress whit the undead bloodline she can use enchatment spell in undead like charm person or dominate monster
Most of these suggestions will not work bcause as mentioned above, most of the enemies here are just abberrants immune for whatever reasons, and there is no way around that. She feels there arent enough control spells if you remove mind control spells, because her spell knowledge is very limited. That is why i made this post to try and find other spells so i can show her a large seletion, and explain what makes them control spells. In our 4 player group we already have two huge damage dealers, which is why she want(s)ed to do a controller.
What, exactly do you need help with?
Proving to your girlfriend that your definition of "controller" is the one she should be using, or finding a way for your girlfriend to play a character she will enjoy?
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Not all aberrations are immune to mind-affecting. It's not an inherent quality of the type. I haven't played Strange Aeons so it is entirely possible most of the specific creatures in that one do have immunities. I'm going to go ahead and provide a partial list of ways to affect things that are normally immune to mind-affecting.
Psychic Inception: This is the big one. A mesmerist can affect anything that is normally immune to mind-affecting. It's not foolproof, but it at least gives you the opportunity. The downside is that mesmerists are not particularly easy for a new player (or even an experienced one) to play.
The following metamagic feats allow you to apply mind-affecting spells to certain creature types:
Coaxing Spell - Affects oozes and vermin.
Threnodic Spell - Affects undead.
Verdant Spell - Affect plants.
Brigh's second Evangelist boon lets you affect an intelligent construct with a mind-affecting spell once per day.
What, exactly do you need help with?
Proving to your girlfriend that your definition of "controller" is the one she should be using, or finding a way for your girlfriend to play a character she will enjoy?
I know you think that statement is clever, but it really isn't. SHE WANTS to play a controller, she doesnt know enough spells, I am trying to give her more examples. Then she can choose if she wants to use them or not. For you to assume I am trying to make her do anything beyond wht she wants is quite a pedantic assumption of yours to make. The help, is in finding controlling spells, that are NOT mind control. So, you can either help me with some you use, or move onto another thread; rather than giving me your so called "relationship advice".
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I know you think that statement is clever, but it really isn't. SHE WANTS to play a controller, she doesnt know enough spells, I am trying to give her more examples. Then she can choose if she wants to use them or not. For you to assume I am trying to make her do anything beyond wht she wants is quite a pedantic assumption of yours to make. The help, is in finding controlling spells, that are NOT mind control. So, you can either help me with some you use, or move onto another thread; rather than giving me your so called "relationship advice".What, exactly do you need help with?
Proving to your girlfriend that your definition of "controller" is the one she should be using, or finding a way for your girlfriend to play a character she will enjoy?
It sounds like you and your girlfriend have different definitions of a 'Controller': She specifically wants to play a Mind-Controller so your attempts to 'broaden her understanding' isn't going to help much because these options are just not something she wants to use...
Granted, the only information we have to work with is your own posts so we are almost certainly misunderstanding this situation to some degree, but I can't read it any other way at this point.
She wants to be able to cast spells that dramatically alter the battlefield. She recently got super psyched into using web and the pit spells. Anything that essentially reduces enemy combat efficiency if not completely removing a round or more of their actions.
If she’s playing a psychic, there’s a phrenic amplification that can help her with undead - Will of The Dead! Unfortunately I think it only works on undead, but I do think there were some of those in the AP