What Whips are whips?

[maouse]

My adopted Ketsune wants to know: What Whips are Whips? The Half-Orcs who adopted her taught her how to drive a caravan, you see...

Caravan Drover (Half-orc)
With your hand on the lash, your caravans always arrive on time.
Benefit(s): You treat whips as martial weapons, and up to 10 animals and humanoids traveling with you can hustle or make a forced march for 1 hour longer than normal before taking nonlethal damage and becoming fatigued.

Now, I would normally say "well, this is just normal whips." But we all know Scorpion Whips can be used as a Whip. So, as a Fighter, she now becomes proficient with those as well, correct?

And then I have to ask about Nine-section Whips, whip swords, Flying blades and Flying Talons, and well, anything that basically Whips. Are they Whips too?

What, exactly, is a Whip? Just a Whip (no prefix) or is anything that is called xyz Whip also a Whip for the purpose of this Trait? Ghost & Spider whip? (immaterial as the spells grant proficiency)

(Also, Whip: S, Flying Talon: P (although?), Uber Scorpion Whip (ignore the inferior write-ups): S ----- So without the Nine-Section Whip, no B).

Whip, training? Whip, enraging?

If anyone knows of any other Whip weapons that might be Whips (regardless of what they are called) I'd appreciate a heads up on them. Various damage types would be nice, though just having the scorpion whip allows an option of materials (adamantine whip anyone? yes please!)

[Gisher]

Whip isn't a weapon category, it is a single type of weapon. Having the word 'whip' in the name doesn't make a weapon a Whip. So you only get to treat Whips as martial weapons.

Scorpion whips are an oddity since, as you say, they can be used in a 'whip mode.' However using a scorpion whip in such a manner requires that you also have Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Scorpion Whip).

[maouse]

Gisher wrote:

Whip isn't a weapon category, it is a single type of weapon. Having the word 'whip' in the name doesn't make a weapon a Whip. So you only get to treat Whips as martial weapons.

Scorpion whips are an oddity since, as you say, they can be used in a 'whip mode.' However using a scorpion whip in such a manner requires that you also have Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Scorpion Whip).

No, using it as a performance weapon requires you to have EWP (Scorpion Whip). Using it as a whip requires you to have Proficiency in (Whip). And since you have proficiency in (Whip) you can use it as such (Even though it is now only Martial Weapon Proficiency (Whip), and not an Exotic Weapon Proficiency - for you).

[James Risner]

Scorpion whip is a different weapon than whip. They are proficient with whip. To use a scorpion which best you need both whip and scorpion whip proficiency.

[whew]

maouse wrote:

Gisher wrote:

Whip isn't a weapon category, it is a single type of weapon. Having the word 'whip' in the name doesn't make a weapon a Whip. So you only get to treat Whips as martial weapons.

Scorpion whips are an oddity since, as you say, they can be used in a 'whip mode.' However using a scorpion whip in such a manner requires that you also have Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Scorpion Whip).

No, using it as a performance weapon requires you to have EWP (Scorpion Whip). Using it as a whip requires you to have Proficiency in (Whip). And since you have proficiency in (Whip) you can use it as such (Even though it is now only Martial Weapon Proficiency (Whip), and not an Exotic Weapon Proficiency - for you).

That is no longer true. In the last Ultimate Equipment errata, the sentence that used to say "If you are proficient with whips, you can use a scorpion whip as a whip." was replaced.

The new wording is here.

[Menacing Shade of mauve]

The current version is that you need both proficiencies in order to use it as a whip.

[Qaianna]

Meanwhile, if you're wondering, a nine-section whip is a distinct different exotic one-hander that deals damage like a bludgeoning longsword (and has the same reach), but with the trip, blocking, distracting, and monk properties. Use that on your dray animals and even orcs are going to look at you a little funny. Unless you just hate oxen.

[thaX]

The Scorpion whip went from an alternative for the Whip to a piece of dusty equipment in the arenas.

A character is wasting feats getting himself familiar with using the Scorpion Whip as it should be used, it is better to get the Whip Mastery feat chain instead.

[swoosh]

I think the idea is that you spend a feat to be able to attack adjacent enemies without needing a backup weapon, for whatever that's worth.