Charging and Attacks of Opportunity

[Diego Rossi]

MrCharisma wrote:

What do you think is more likely: That everyone who has ever gotten this wrong is a dishonest cheat? Or that maybe some of them really did misunderstand the rules?

I think it very likely that someone refusing to acknowledge the rules when they have been pointed to him (like the people with which Dronqq is playing) and that apparently has no problem with all the others "this action doesn't provoke unless you use together with one that provokes" (like the attack action and untrained unarmed attacks) is as a minimum wilfully blind or more probably trying to get a benefit from misinterpreting the rules.

[glass]

If that [running provoking for entering a square, not just leaving] was ever a ruling anywhere, I can assure you it wasn’t from 3.5… 3.5 and pathfinder have the exact same rules for running when it comes to combat…neither of which say anything about provoking for moving into a threatened space.

I no longer have access to all the 3.5 FAQs (or 3.0 for that matter - it could easily have been that long ago), so no citations, but the idea that running into a square provokes definitely came from somewhere. I am pretty sure I did not make it up.

That said, even if it did not, it would explain why Run says "yes" and charge says "no", and absent any better suggestions to the contrary it is the rule I am going to continue to use. Also, apologies to you and Ryze Kuja for completely manginling the quote. Of course it is much to late to edit now. :embarrassed:

On the broader question, I can certainly see how a new player could become confused. PF1 as a whole is a complicated ruleset and there is a lot to absorb, so even things that are relatively easy in isolation can get mangled in that context, and the rule could certainly be better explained. OTOH, once you look into it the rule is clear in the sense that there is only really one explanation that fits all the parts, I kinda agree with Diego Rossi that once the rule has been explained in detail by someone who does know it, anyone clinging to the "does not provoke" position is either outright cheating or at best being unhelpfully stubborn.

Frankly, with the benefit of 20 years of hindsight I would just dump the whole table (or at least the AoO column on it) and just list the broad categories of things that provoke with a note that there are exceptions and they will (and edge cases) be spelled out in the individual action descriptions.

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glass.

[bbangerter]

glass wrote:

If that [running provoking for entering a square, not just leaving] was ever a ruling anywhere, I can assure you it wasn’t from 3.5… 3.5 and pathfinder have the exact same rules for running when it comes to combat…neither of which say anything about provoking for moving into a threatened space. I no longer have access to all the 3.5 FAQs (or 3.0 for that matter - it could easily have been that long ago), so no citations, but the idea that running into a square provokes definitely came from somewhere. I am pretty sure I did not make it up.

Maybe you are confusing it with this rule for smaller creatures moving into larger creatures spaces?

Quote:

Tiny, Diminutive, and Fine Creatures:
... Creatures that take up less than 1 square of space typically have a natural reach of 0 feet, meaning they can't reach into adjacent squares. They must enter an opponent's square to attack in melee. This provokes an attack of opportunity from the opponent.

There aren't any more generalized rules for moving into a space provoking.