If you are a war priest of Gorum, does taking deadly simplicity means that a greatsword now does 1d14 of damage (or equivalent — 1d14 is possible in online tools)?
I’d like to get community input before going to the DM. It seems to me that this should work, but I haven’t seen any postings on this topic.
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Deadly Simplicity only works for simple weapons. The Greatsword is a martial weapon.
Also, you can't increase a weapon damage die past d12.
Deadly simplicity is only given to clerics whose Deity have a Simple Weapon as a favored weapon. So a Warpriest of Gorum couldn't get it.
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It doesn't work for two reasons.
One: Deadly Simplicity only works with simple weapons, not martial weapons (i.e. greatswords). The ability's so followers of deities with simple weapons can remain viable.
Two: The highest die size for weapons is d12. That's listed under advancing dice.
Deadly Simplicity only works for simple weapons. The Greatsword is a martial weapon.
Wasn't there some workaround using Syncretism?
Deadly Simplicity only works for simple weapons. The Greatsword is a martial weapon.Wasn't there some workaround using Syncretism?
While you could grab deadly simplicity this way it still wouldn't effect the Greatsword's d12, since that is hard capped by the rules governing increasing die size.
You could also debate whether the feat would effect BOTH deities weapon's or just the simple one. Basically whether the prerequisites for the feat are compared to both deities individually then applied appropriately, or just a check box that you have to check to qualify.
Thanks. Missed the pre-requisites and didn’t realize the weapons cap. The idea was fun while it lasted.
A side note the racial feats that make certin weapons count as simple such as elf weapon mastery making longswords simple weapons does this then allow them to qualify for deadly simplicity to increase their die size?
A side note the racial feats that make certin weapons count as simple such as elf weapon mastery making longswords simple weapons does this then allow them to qualify for deadly simplicity to increase their die size?
yes.
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A side note the racial feats that make certin weapons count as simple such as elf weapon mastery making longswords simple weapons does this then allow them to qualify for deadly simplicity to increase their die size?
No. They only count as simple for the purposes of proficiency, they're still martial weapons.
A side note the racial feats that make certin weapons count as simple such as elf weapon mastery making longswords simple weapons does this then allow them to qualify for deadly simplicity to increase their die size?No. They only count as simple for the purposes of proficiency, they're still martial weapons.
While generally true, there are a couple like Catfolk Weapon Familiarity that just say they're simple weapons for you.
While generally true, there are a couple like Catfolk Weapon Familiarity that just say they're simple weapons for you.A side note the racial feats that make certin weapons count as simple such as elf weapon mastery making longswords simple weapons does this then allow them to qualify for deadly simplicity to increase their die size?No. They only count as simple for the purposes of proficiency, they're still martial weapons.
Catfolk, Halfling and Orc Weapon Familiarity have the wording "For you, martial XXX weapons are simple weapons, and advanced XXX weapons are martial weapons."
Dwarf, Elf, Gnome, Goblin, Hobgoblin, Tengu Weapon Familiarity have the wording "For the purpose of determining your proficiency, martial XXX weapons are simple weapons and advanced XXX weapons are martial weapons." Unconventional Weaponry is basically the same too.
But so that only leaves 4 Martial weapons with an appropriate racial trait that could be affected by becoming Simple and qualifying for Deadly Simplicity:
Filcher's Fork
Halfling Sling Staff
Orc Knuckle Dagger
Claw Blade
Those are all good weapons. But looking at the list of Deities that leaves you with zero possibilities.
Unless there is a way to choose Favored Weapons for a Deity. But thats for the GM.
Simple Weapons are useful with Rogue Rackets.
They can save a Sorcerer from having to buy another feat to get expert proficiency at level 11. But that applies to all the other weapons listed above too.
Anything else?
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Deadly Simplicity only works for simple weapons. The Greatsword is a martial weapon.Wasn't there some workaround using Syncretism?
Yes, Deadly Simplicity assumes you only have one favoured weapon, so the actual feat text doesn't have a 'simple' requirement. As such, as long as you have at least one favored simple weapon to meet the Pre-req, you could (technically) apply the feat to any other favored weapon you might have.
Of course, this was all academic until Syncretism allowed a Warpriest to gain the favored weapon from their second deity...
I doubt any GM would allow that as the pre req is deity with a simple weapon so the intent is clear. But if for some reason a GM did allow it it would not be a d14 it would be a 1d20 as the next dice step up from d12. And with that you bump into the rules about improving die size
Increasing Die Size
When an effect calls on you to increase the size of your weapon damage dice, instead of using its normal weapon damage dice, use the next larger die, as listed below (so if you were using a d4, you’d use a d6, and so on). If you are already using a d12, the size is already at its maximum. You can’t increase your weapon damage die size more than once.
1d4 ➞ 1d6 ➞ 1d8 ➞ 1d10 ➞ 1d12
Once something is doing d12's it is the max size and you no longer gain any benefit from further advancement.