I guess the core of the question is if free actions count towards "if your next action is (blank)" situations.
A free action is listed as a type of action in the crb so yes I would say it counts as your action.
The Metamagic Trait actually calls this out.
A free action is listed as a type of action in the crb so yes I would say it counts as your action.
The Metamagic Trait actually calls this out.
Thanks for the answer! And I suppose it would be pretty busted if you could combo either of the things above with Inspire Heroics. I'm continually impressed by the lack of cheese/overpowered combos in this edition.
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Thanks for the answer! And I suppose it would be pretty busted if you could combo either of the things above with Inspire Heroics. I'm continually impressed by the lack of cheese/overpowered combos in this edition.A free action is listed as a type of action in the crb so yes I would say it counts as your action.
The Metamagic Trait actually calls this out.
Unless I'm wrong, metamagic actions are not actual actions per se. They increase another action by 1 action.
So Yes lingering composition works with Harmonize.
I think the issue is that a free action (which is what Lingering Composition is) is still an action. Its not actually a metamagic action, just a free action (no metamagic trait, etc.). Both Harmonize and Lingering require the next action to be a composition.
That said, you can cast a Harmonized composition and then use Lingering Composition to cast a second composition on the same turn which would linger. Only problem would be when your next turn came around if you wanted to recast your harmonized composition you would lose the lingering one. So in reality, they don't work all that well together. You might as well just Harmonize and then cast a second composition if you are really wanting both to stay up.
That said, you can cast a Harmonized composition and then use Lingering Composition to cast a second composition on the same turn which would linger. Only problem would be when your next turn came around if you wanted to recast your harmonized composition you would lose the lingering one. So in reality, they don't work all that well together. You might as well just Harmonize and then cast a second composition if you are really wanting both to stay up.
I think the key in this scenario would be to do it the other way around.
Free Action - Lingering Composition1A - Composition 1
2A - Harmonize
3A - Composition 2
Next turn, your lingering composition is still active and you simply Harmonize with it again with a second composition.
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You can perform multiple compositions simultaneously. If your next action is to cast a composition, it becomes a harmonized composition. Unlike a normal composition, a harmonized composition doesn’t end if you cast another composition, and you can cast another composition on the same turn as a harmonized one. Casting another harmonized composition ends any harmonized composition you have in effect.
I think reversing the order doesn't work. A harmonized composition doesn't end when you use another composition, but this doesn't say that the harmonized composition doesn't cause a pre-existing composition to end.
You can perform multiple compositions simultaneously. If your next action is to cast a composition, it becomes a harmonized composition. Unlike a normal composition, a harmonized composition doesn’t end if you cast another composition, and you can cast another composition on the same turn as a harmonized one. Casting another harmonized composition ends any harmonized composition you have in effect.I think reversing the order doesn't work. A harmonized composition doesn't end when you use another composition, but this doesn't say that the harmonized composition doesn't cause a pre-existing composition to end.
Yup, that's how I read it too.
Yup, that's how I read it too.You can perform multiple compositions simultaneously. If your next action is to cast a composition, it becomes a harmonized composition. Unlike a normal composition, a harmonized composition doesn’t end if you cast another composition, and you can cast another composition on the same turn as a harmonized one. Casting another harmonized composition ends any harmonized composition you have in effect.I think reversing the order doesn't work. A harmonized composition doesn't end when you use another composition, but this doesn't say that the harmonized composition doesn't cause a pre-existing composition to end.
I certainly see how it would be interpreted that way (and I tend to agree that is probably the correct interpretation), but I see some wiggle room, if you don't mind indulging me for a moment.:
"Unlike a normal composition, a harmonized composition doesn’t end if you cast another composition, and you can cast another composition on the same turn as a harmonized one."
Parsing this a little bit we know that Harmonize does 2 things:
1) It does not end if you cast another composition after it
2) It allows you to cast more than 1 composition on the same turn as a harmonized one.
Here is where it gets tricky to me. Harmonize essentially overrules 2 rules of Compositions:
1) "If you cast a new composition spell, any ongoing effects from your previous composition spell end immediately."
2) "You can cast only one composition spell each turn"
So again, it may be reading between the lines a bit, but if a Harmonize lets you break both of those rules, I don't see why a Harmonized composition would have to be the first one cast in the turn, as the ability allows you to cast a second composition on your turn.
In other words, once a PC takes the action to Harmonize it "unlocks" the ability for a second composition thus allowing you to take your next action to cast said composition.
Either way, the wording could definitely be tighter to ensure there was no room for interpretation.
Well, I think you could cast the Harmonized composition second, since it does allow for a second composition. The problem is that the non-harmonized composition would still end when you cast a Harmonized one since the rule about not ending when casting another composition specifically refers to Harmonized.
Now, that said, if a player in my game messed up the order of operations, I would probably still allow it since the character would almost certainly know. It's just that either way it won't play with lingering composition. Neither composition can get the benefit of Lingering since the next casting of Harmonized would end the lingered composition.
Well, I think you could cast the Harmonized composition second, since it does allow for a second composition. The problem is that the non-harmonized composition would still end when you cast a Harmonized one since the rule about not ending when casting another composition specifically refers to Harmonized.
Ah, right. That is the little detail I was missing.
At my table I would likely allow it, but now I have come around to the fact that RAW everything I said previously was nonsense.
Eh, I wouldn't call it nonsense as the rule could probably be spelled out a little clearer. And as I said, as long as nobody was trying to use a Lingering Comp in there, I wouldn't care too much about the order since that seems to be a bit overly picky. It only really matters when trying to mesh Harmonized with Lingering.