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I mean there are creatures in the APs with Class levels, so there is obviously some method of giving creatures Class levels. I have not been able to find those rules though.
From the GMG:
NPCs dont have class levels, only abilities that closely mimic level appropriate class abilities and feats.
Well that just makes things even more confusing, since creatures in the offical APs do in fact have class levels.
DMIRI YOLTOSHA CREATURE 4
UNIQUE
LE
MEDIUM
GOBLIN
HUMANOID
Female hobgoblin ranger 4
Perception +14, darkvision
Languages Common, Goblin
Skills Acrobatics +10, Athletics +9, Deception +5, Nature +7, Stealth +10, Survival +7, Thievery +10
Str +3, Dex +4, Con +1, Int +0, Wis +1, Cha –1
AC 22; Fort +10, Ref +12, Will +9
HP 52
Items composite shortbow (20 arrows), dagger, key to chest (see Treasure), +1 leather armor, +1 striking rapier
Speed 25 feet
Melee [one-action] rapier +13 (deadly 1d8, disarm, finesse), Damage 2d6+3 piercing
Melee [one-action] dagger +12 (agile, finesse, versatile S), Damage 1d4+3 piercing
Ranged [one-action] composite shortbow +12 (deadly 1d10, range increment 60 feet, reload 0), Damage 1d6+1 piercing
Ranged [one-action] dagger +12 (agile, thrown 10 feet, versatile S), Damage 1d4+3 piercing
Flurry Dmira’s multiple attack penalty against her hunted prey is –3 (–2 with an agile weapon) on her second attack and –6 (–4 with an agile weapon) on her third or subsequent attacks.
Hunt Prey [one-action]
Hunter’s Aim [two-actions] (Pathfinder Core Rulebook 172)
Twin Parry [one-action] (Pathfinder Core Rulebook 172)
Twin Takedown [one-action] (Pathfinder Core Rulebook 171)
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Insofar as I can tell that number means literally nothing and is just a product of bad editing. At best, it serves as a guide for determining what kinds of abilities the GM should give it (no 20th-level fighter feats on a 1st-level monster) or at what power level those abilities should function. Normally such a thing wouldn't be neccessary, but perhaps they threw it in as a kind of short hand.
Also, your quote box should probably because spoiler box.
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You can build a NPC with the PC creation rules. If the writer has access to the hobgoblin Ancestry, they can produce the statblock easily. If you want to level up a NPC built like a PC, just use the rules for PCs ;-)
We might even be able to retroengineer the hobgoblin Ancestry from the statblock.
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The monster building rules also have ways to build NPCs as if they were PC classes without actually building them as PCs. That hobgoblin is an example. If it actually used PC rules it couldn't have an attack bonus that high. You just use suggested benchmarks for stats and add some abilities and actions classes have.
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Even the answer "at the same level a PC of the 'real' class gets 'em" would be appreciated.
I believe this is the simplest (and most likely correct) answer. Although I don't think NPCs would get all the appropriate feats and abilities of a class equal to their level, just the most relevant ones. An NPC meant for combat, for example, likely wouldn't have any non-combat abilities listed.
Even the answer "at the same level a PC of the 'real' class gets 'em" would be appreciated. I don't see why this question must be met with hostility.
Doesn't the GMG extract on Monster Building cover this? There's a page or two on recommended stats for different classes, and suggested signature abilities by level. The suggested abilities and feats are focused on active abilities, rather than number boosters
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The stat blocks in Age of Ashes are formatted improperly. It was literally made while they were still working on the rules, and the creators have specified that having the 'Ranger' in there is in error.
You can use the PC rules to make NPCs, but none in Age of Ashes have had that done, and it cannot be combined with the 'NPC Creation Rules' in the Gamemastery Guide, you just use one or the other not some mix of the two.
As stated above, the GMG excerpt sent out last year is clear: you just find the appropriate row on the table for the new level and adjust accordingly.
For the example stat block from Hellknight Hill, that was the first issue of the first AP for P2, meaning it was written concurrently with the CRB. You would expect some "preliminary-ness" to the that book. Is it obvious in any other books? A quick glance through my copy of Fall of Plaguestone has no mention of the NPC's "class." The closest it gets is for the "Orc Alchemist" but that is the name of the monster not in the stat block.
Also, your quote box should probably because spoiler box.
I'd be happy to, but for some reason I am unable to edit that post.
Also, your quote box should probably because spoiler box.I'd be happy to, but for some reason I am unable to edit that post.
This forum has a 1 hour time limit on edits.