By the way, Amazon are now suddenly shipping again, so it could well be that they didnt sell out but rather underordered (or just had their usual, run-of-the mill inventory screwups).
Not in Canada.
At least for my groups, we're only very slowly dabbling in PF2, so we can wait months for this book. The mechanical content isn't critical to us to have right away, and the setting material is similarly not urgent. For others, it's a shame they can't have it right away.
By the way, Amazon are now suddenly shipping again, so it could well be that they didnt sell out but rather underordered (or just had their usual, run-of-the mill inventory screwups).Not in Canada.
At least for my groups, we're only very slowly dabbling in PF2, so we can wait months for this book. The mechanical content isn't critical to us to have right away, and the setting material is similarly not urgent. For others, it's a shame they can't have it right away.
I probably didn’t phrase that very well.
They may not have resumed shipping yet, but my point was that Amazon are not always great at knowing what’s going on. There has been a lot of discussion in this thread about Amazon selling out - that may not have been accurate (although as Vic mentioned above, it’s not a terribly significant datapoint anyhow). Amazon often don’t seem to know when they’re going to ship rpg books until the day of departure.
My main reason for posting was in case anyone stumbles across this thread and thinks Amazon is destined to be later than Paizo (it may not be, as it turns out - there might be some copies still working their way through amazons systems).
For others, it's a shame they can't have it right away.
Must be a bummer for Paizo as well. Seems to me this is a key book to have available for new recruits. They must be disappointed to have sold out (in the sense that I bet they agonised over how many to print and could have comfortably printed many more).
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That's not true, Paizo has shown again and again that they're willing to listen to well spoken dissent, no need to insult them.
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Hey Gang --
We seem to be retreading the same issues in this thread, so let's sum up:
1) Some people are concerned that Paizo's PDF pricing is too high, especially for the page count. They've noted the rise in price and are concerned about how it will impact local gaming and gamers.
2) Sara Marie explained that Paizo has raised the rates of the PDFs to be more fair to third party publishers who cannot afford to discount their pricing the way Paizo can.
3) There has been ample discussion on whether the Lost Omens line is selling well. It has sold out on Paizo and on Amazon, but it appears there are also some brick & mortar stores with copies languishing on the shelves. This sounds pretty normal to me. Nothing will sell out everywhere at once.
4) There has been a lot of concern over all about the tone of the arguments, and I agree that both sides could be a bit gentler here. To those complaining about the price of PDFs, I would suggest avoiding terms that imply intentional malice on Paizo's part. Let's not use terms like 'price-gouging'. 'Overpriced' or 'mispriced' are much more acceptable. To those supporting Paizo, let's not make this personal either. Frankly, all of us could take a deep breath and assume better intentions of our fellow posters.
I am sympathetic to the concerns that the price may be a bit high. There will absolutely be PFS players who will not be able to afford the Lost Omens line. As an online VC, I recognize that this may be a hardship for some of my international players. Fortunately, the CRB remains affordable, and has lots of great options for character building.
From the other side, I am also a Paizo freelancer. I like getting paid a decent wage for the work that I do. I am grateful that I don't have to make the hard decisions on how to price product, because I would have no idea how to value it correctly.
I think this is an important discussion, but I for one would appreciate it if we all remembered that we are talking to real people with real concerns on both sides of the argument. We're arguing because we love the game, and because we're passionate lovers of Paizo and its products.
Thanks for listening,
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VC of Online Play & Paizo Freelancer
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One more thought:
Vic Wertz, veteran players often give out the ten dollar vouchers they win at conventions to new players to help them purchase their first PDF of the core rulebook. With the CRB PDF now costing 14.99, is it possible to have the value of new vouchers rise to 15 dollars?
Just a suggestion!
Hmm
I probably didn’t phrase that very well.
No worries, friend. I was just clarifying. And would've dropped it without commenting further except...
Amazon.ca just sent notice they think they'll have stock Sept 25th-30th. I suspect they're smoking something recently legalized here, but hey. We'll see.
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Apparently all of my post got eaten somehow. I don't think it's fair to compare the monopoly that is Diamond Comics Distribution to RPG publishing. ALL comics companies have to use Diamond to distribute their books. Therefore a lot of the ordering process for stores is controlled by Diamond (order so many copies of this book to get a variant cover is an example) and it's harder to return damaged or otherwise unsellable comics because of the monopoly. Vic can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the RPG industry as a whole or even Paizo specifically are as reliant on a single distributer like the comics industry is.
Context: I am a freelance comic journalist with deep knowledge on how the industry works, including the problems with Diamond.
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One more thought:Vic Wertz, veteran players often give out the ten dollar vouchers they win at conventions to new players to help them purchase their first PDF of the core rulebook. With the CRB PDF now costing 14.99, is it possible to have the value of new vouchers rise to 15 dollars?
I'll answer this, since it involves event support, which falls under my purview.
Our 2020 budget is pretty much locked in. Is a good point of reference for the 2021 budgeting cycle, so thank you for asking!