Constructed pugilist and Jistkan Artificer combo...


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I want to do this so each archetype uses the same arm...I know there is some overlap (losing out on one of the bonus Imp Unarmed Attack feats, etc). Is this legal?

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My first impression would be that this isn't possible. Both replace your arm. If you had a Jitskan Golem arm and then took constructed Pugilist, you (could) replace your golem arm with your constructed arm, or if you took constructed pugilist first and then took Jitskan Artificer, you (could) replace your constructed arm with your golem arm.
They are both separate weapons, combining them doesn't seem reasonable and would raise several problems and questions: if your golem arm and constructed arm were one and the same, how much does it cost to build it out of a special material?

" A Jistkan artificer can recreate his golem arm from other materials by spending 1 day and paying an additional +50% of the normal cost of the special material used in the creation of this new golem arm. "
"The constructed pugilist can improve her constructed limb as if it were a normal melee weapon. For the purpose of rebuilding the limb as a masterwork weapon, rebuilding the limb out of a special material, or adding certain magical special abilities to it, the limb counts as a one-handed melee weapon that costs 60 gp and weighs 6 pounds"

Jitskan Artificer can only use his golem arm to make spell strikes, so you can't make spell strikes with the constructed arm.
Brawler gains flurry, but you can't combine Flurry and Spell combat - both require full round actions.

If you had both your arms replaced (one with Golem and one with Constructed) you could benefit from the Constructed arm giving, say, +2 ac with the shielded modification, but I assume your goal with the multiclass would be to either gain the improved crit range from having a piercing modification or reach from extended limb modification - you could use those benefits with a regular magus, I think, but since Jitskan limits your spell strike to your golem arm, I don't think you can take advantage of the modifications of your constructed limb.


Btw, I know that both are only legal, cos I can't take the Crafting feats...

...and I know the description is slightly different...but, I just thought, Rule of Cool, you know?

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For the purposes of Organized Play, it's more Rule of Law.

More seriously, it's better for a player to align self with the more restrictive reading than with the generous one.

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I agree, and it would be cool, but the way some of those abilities are written (can only use spellstrike with this golem arm) would suggest that they aren't compatible.

Sorry, ment Vicious Blades, didn't check the name of the 19-20 crit range mod.

If your plan -is not- to use the Extend or Vicious Blades modification, I'd recommend just having both arms replaced. If your plan IS to benefit from increased crit range and/or reach, drop the Jitskan artificer. If you had planned to use flurry and spell combat, drop the Constructed pugilist since that doesn't work anyway. At least, that would be my advice.


I don't actually want to use flurry at the same time as spellstrike...as pointed out, that wouldnt work. They would be separate options. Hence the incompatibility only being the mechanics of not being able to use two standard actions at the same time.

Putting that to one side, is there a problem? Take CP first, make arm adamantine, then become JA, but don't need to replace arm...aren't the description of the two arms just fluff, really?

Dark Archive 4/5 *** Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Turku

My bad!

After re-reading, Jitskan Artificer can only make spellstrikes with Unarmed strikes - it isn't limited to the golem arm!

Pugilist:
Gains constructed limb:
She treats attacks with this limb as unarmed strikes that gain all the benefits of the brawler’s unarmed strike class feature.
Gains Limb modification at lvl 1 (and another at level 6) - can improve your constructed limb.
Gains Bonus item creation feat (does not gain these in society)

Jitskan Artificer:
Less spells per level
Golem arm: Unless you take both arms, you can just "not take this" (or rather, replace it with the constructed limb)
"At 1st level, a Jistkan artificer can use his arcane pool to enhance his unarmed strikes as if they were manufactured weapons."
-> This isn't limited to just the golem arm, so works with your constructed arm
Improved unarmed strike -> redundant
Empowered arm: This only affects golem arm, so doesn't give you any benefits
Unarmed Spellstrike (Su): A Jistkan artificer can use spellstrike to deliver spells only when attacking with his unarmed strikes.
-> Works with your constructed arm

Magus arcana: Break spell probably does not work since "can use his arm to disrupt spells"
Flurrying arm: Description says that you can improve your golem arm, but the text says you gain flurry of blows monk class aability, and doesn't restrict it to the arm only

Sharpened arm: Can't apply this to your constructed arm

Shielding arm: Can't apply this to your constructed arm.

In conclusion, it would seem that if you'll end up with IUS twice, can't benefit from the Empowered arm, and can't make use of the Jitskan artificer magus arcana's, and can't use both spell combat and flurry at the same time, but otherwise the two archetypes should work fine. You just... replace your golem arm with the "superior" (extended) constructed arm.

Or at least, that's how I would interpret it. May be subject to table variation.


Have you considered replacing each of your arms? And I believe the Constructed Pugilist doesn't have to replace an arm, so you build a certain alchemist.

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