I have (most) of the raw mats needed- plenty of cotton, tons of maple, and oak, and maybe half of the goods needed for the moderate varnish. But I have none of the skill to refine any of it all or make the bow or spear.
Anyone willing to help out with the missing mats for the moderate varnish, refining the mats, and crafting the bow, let me know!
I've temporarily joined up with Phaeros since I know they have enough towers to allow me to train in to T2 bow usage and skirmisher to train at- and hopefully that will be possible to do before the start of EE.
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I will be much interested in this. Happy to help however I can. I have an apothocary at 8 and lots of mats if that is useful. Not enough for mass production, but that can be fixed.
Lemme know what I can do.
Two questions occur.
1. Composite Maple Staff looks like an uncommon or rare recipe. It is red in the spreadsheet I am looking at. Am I mistaken and is it a default at sawyer rank 8?
2. Do you really need skills to use T2 equipement? I mean skills better than can use T1?
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I have 41 moderate adhesive raw materials - would need to check what else you need for moderate varnish.
We have a Weaponsmith level 8 now in EL but nor bowyer or Apothecary.
I expect the Smelter to be 7 over the weekend as well as maybe a weaver 7.
Did lately invest more in fighting as in refining as EE seemed 'just around the corner' ...
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2. Do you really need skills to use T2 equipement? I mean skills better than can use T1?
From the spreadsheets:
To train Lv6 Armor Feats (ie, to use/access the Tier 2 Masterwork keyword), you first need to have trained the appropriate Lv2 Armor Proficiency.
To train Lv4 Weapons Attack Feats (ie, to use/access the fourth keyword - Masterwork) does not require the appropriate Lv2 Weapon Proficiency. The Lv2 weapon Proficiency is required for the Lv5 Weapon Attack Feats. I think this is a error in the spreadsheets.
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To train Lv4 Weapons Attack Feats (ie, to use/access the fourth keyword - Masterwork) does not require the appropriate Lv2 Weapon Proficiency. The Lv2 weapon Proficiency is required for the Lv5 Weapon Attack Feats. I think this is a error in the spreadsheets.
It's not an error just in the spreadsheets, because it's that way in-game too. I can train Level 4 Attacks right now in Phaeros.
I think that it should probably require Arcane Weapon Proficiency 2 to buy Level 4 Cantrips.
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To train Lv4 Weapons Attack Feats (ie, to use/access the fourth keyword - Masterwork) does not require the appropriate Lv2 Weapon Proficiency. The Lv2 weapon Proficiency is required for the Lv5 Weapon Attack Feats. I think this is a error in the spreadsheets.It's not an error just in the spreadsheets, because it's that way in-game too. I can train Level 4 Attacks right now in Phaeros.
I think that it should probably require Arcane Weapon Proficiency 2 to buy Level 4 Cantrips.
There are two benefits with T2 weapons.
1) The extra damage from the masterwork keyword. This is neither here nor there, it is just a small increment in damage. nice but hardly worth the effort to make T2 for if that was all you got.
2) The D200 roll averages at 100ish instead of just over 50 - this is a huge difference
I had the impression anyone that can fire a T2 weapon gets the better D200 roll for "free" even on exploit attacks.
Real question is - what are the restrictions on using a T2 weapon ? Training attacks higher is neither here nor there, the extra damage is not a game breaker its the better D200 roll inherent in the weapon itself that is the big factor.
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I had the impression anyone that can fire a weapon gets the better D200 roll for "free" .
The plan is that if your attack matches the T2 keyword it gets the T2 roll, and if it matches the T3 keyword it gets the T3 roll. You have to have proficiency 2 to buy an attack for a particular weapon up to the level that can match the T2 keyword (level 4 of 6), and proficiency 3 to buy attacks up to matching T3 (level 6 of 6).
Searching for that, it's obvious that being able to buy Level 4 Attacks without a Level 2 Weapon Proficiency is a bug.
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I had the impression anyone that can fire a weapon gets the better D200 roll for "free" .The plan is that if your attack matches the T2 keyword it gets the T2 roll, and if it matches the T3 keyword it gets the T3 roll. You have to have proficiency 2 to buy an attack for a particular weapon up to the level that can match the T2 keyword (level 4 of 6), and proficiency 3 to buy attacks up to matching T3 (level 6 of 6).Searching for that, it's obvious that being able to buy Level 4 Attacks without a Level 2 Weapon Proficiency is a bug.
Reading that quote probably yes a bug - but not necessarily.
Attacks at level 5 are necessary for BOTH T1+3 and T2+3 weapons.
The issue is if you were prevented from training level 5 attacks until you had T2 proficiency it would mean you could never use T1+3 weapons until after you could also use T2+3.
Now that may be intentional and working as intended OR it may now be the intention (changed since the quote) that you can train level 4 and 5 attacks to get T1+3 weapon skills and there is meant to be a separate gateway to using the T2 variant - a totally separate T2 proficiency.
That is the bit I am unsure about. Your quote indicates the former, unless policy has changed, it is likely a bug.
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The issue is if you were prevented from training level 5 attacks until you had T2 proficiency it would mean you could never use T1+3 weapons until after you could also use T2+3.
Well, we're already prevented from using T1 +3 Weapons until we could use T2 +3 Weapons.
I think that T1 +3 Weapons will largely be the domain of folks who are trying to Thread all their gear.
... a separate gateway to using the T2 variant...
Certainly possible. Perhaps you simply can't match the Masterwork Keyword on a Weapon without Weapon Proficiency 2.
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I can just give you one.
Combine that with your avatar, and you "look" positively board and annoyed at even having to make the offer.
Of course, I totally accept! :)
That said, I'd still be happy to work with Thod and Bringslite to see if we can put together a bow or spear without having to tap TEO's deep resources.
I asked Tester Prime about the attack roll bit and this is waht he said:
Currently it does not matter what feats you have. If you have a T3 bow slotted, you get the T3 attack roll. This is a known bug and not intended. So enjoy it while you can!
Keyword matching, of course, is working as intended.
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I asked Tester Prime about the attack roll bit and this is waht he said:
Currently it does not matter what feats you have. If you have a T3 bow slotted, you get the T3 attack roll. This is a known bug and not intended. So enjoy it while you can!
Keyword matching, of course, is working as intended.
That was my impression, that currently you can have no bow feats trained at all and equip a T3 bow and go around smacking things down with a T3 attack roll using the basic free exploit.
It is good to know that will eventually be fixed as it is, to be honest, rather silly.
