Most by now probably have seen the leaked(?) pictures of the PF2 Character sheet. As far as I've seen it it looks pretty good. But there are still two things I'd like to request/give to the paizo team to consider:
-The Lore Skills: We got two slots to fill in everything that fits under craft, lore and profession...I am pretty sure that is not enough for many many players (also considering that one slot is basically locked in through your background)
My players tend to fill all of those slots (ot at least most of them) and the adittional slots we got on our character sheet. Only two slots for all that stuff from which every category is nearly endless big is way to few. I would propose at least 4, maybe even more.
-A digital sheet: I know of course Paizo is not a computer company, but it would be an immense help to have day 1 character sheet pdfs that can be filled using your pc and easily edited.
I play mostly online and for tracking of data etc we use digital sheets we exchange regulary. Up to now there were always fan/custom made sheets, which (aside from minor bugs) always worked well. But I believe that digital sheets for everyone from day 1 would be an immense help for many players and even more gms.
-Weapon Prophiciencies: It looks like there are basically 2 slots, simple, martial and a specific one. I think there should be at least one other, maybe more specific ones, but this is as I see it only a minor issue.
Also feel free to add more ideas how the character sheet could be better.
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I agree there should be 2 more Lores (for a total of 20 listed skill entries). Though I'll note that Crafting is actually separate from Lore.
I also think, as has been noted by the designers and seems likely to change, that the first column of stats should be Str, Dex, Con, while the second is Int, Wis, Cha.
I think the Proficiency thing probably works fine as-is, but we'll need to see the book to know for sure.
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I will point out that you PROBABLY don't need separate lines for lore very often. I think with the exception of auto scaling lores like the Obsessive gnome feat, people will rarely sink skill increases into lores. If all (or most) of your lores are at the same level (most likely trained) you can list all your lore categories on one line. Stuff like Obsessive lore can go on the second line.
This is based on some assumptions on my part, and it is possible something like a Bardic Lore class feature may disrupt this pattern, but that's my current guess.
I'm a fan of easy online character tools though, and PF2 feels like it should be easier than PF1 to create something for.
The character sheets were directly released by Paizo on a Friday twitch stream so it wasn't a leak just a normal info dump. Also the way they were using it on the stream sure looked like an editable pdf so I think you might get your wish. I recommend you go check it out.
On the sheet itself there also isn't a space for unarmored proficiency. I know for most PCs that probably wont matter but still its relevant for monks and maybe mages who invest a feat or two to improve their defenses (assuming that's an option)
EDIT: Twitch Stream Link
A digital sheet should be a much simpler task for PF2. One that hopefully is readily adjustable beyond baseline assumptions.
Having "CRB" toggle-able effects built-in would be a lifesaver!
If not ... well, there will likely be a few fan-made sheets, but it'd be nice to have an official one.
Charge a reasonable fee for one. I think the company would be pleasantly surprised by the revenue if it is a modest fee.
a reasonable fee sounds fine to me
like...5 bucks? If its halfway decent it would be worth it
a reasonable fee sounds fine to me
like...5 bucks? If its halfway decent it would be worth it
5 bucks sounds good to me.
I'd pay quite a bit more for one kept up-to-date with errata etc etc as either a fair one-time fee or for a very modest subscription fee.
Or even $5 plus $5 per update (RPG line book release that brings along other character sheet-pertinent updates/options), or $10 plus free updates for subscribers to stuff, or any number of potential combinations are possible.
I have used that one too but the file was bloated af
other pdfs I use sometimes have wrong linked boxes
and one pdf becomes a little bigger every time you change something na save it and at some point will be really slow no matter how fast your pc is - so new sheet and copy everything
It would be really nice to instantly have a sheet without those problems
The one I use is a google docs sheet. It's well done, mostly free of bugs (competence bonuses stack when they shouldn't - otherwise, that's the only glitch in an otherwise excellent sheet that I've found) and easily modified once you figure out how to do stuff with the sheet. I'm still learning, but I've been able to figure out how to have more than 3 lines for character classes, show the particulars for multiple casting classes (for the mystic theurge types) and code a character so that all or almost all of the level advancement work is done within about 15 seconds - usually less - of updating the character level.
Once the sheet is set up it is generally a matter of toggling "active" or "inactive". The conditions are largely encoded into the sheet. Got enervated? Field for that. Blinded and grappled too? Ouch ... but toggle two fields, done. Invisible? Got you covered.
Lucky for me the sheet's author is indicating that they plan to put a similar sheet together in the early weeks of the PF2 playtest.
I'd prefer to have a proper "dev supported" sheet similarly designed ... but that is an egg I'm not going to count on at this moment.
Isn't this what Hero Lab is for? Or is that expensive? (Serious question, I've never looked at it but I've seen it brought up on the boards quite a lot.)
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HeroLab is hideously expensive if you were to buy into the entire enchilada for Pathfinder as it stands right now: about $375. This gets a lot more expensive if you want it to also include 3pp materials.
HeroLab also does almost all of the work, which is not necessarily what some people want and/or need.
To my knowledge the one thing that HeroLab cannot do is easy modifications on-the-fly. I can definitely do that on my own with the more typical "sheets"/PDFs (depending on the PDF).
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HeroLab is hideously expensive if you were to buy into the entire enchilada for Pathfinder as it stands right now: about $375. This gets a lot more expensive if you want it to also include 3pp materials.
Holy $#%%@#!
To my knowledge the one thing that HeroLab cannot do is easy modifications on-the-fly. I can definitely do that on my own with the more typical "sheets"/PDFs (depending on the PDF).
That limitation and $375 do not go together well. Wow.
Thanks for clearing that up for me!
HeroLab is hideously expensive if you were to buy into the entire enchilada for Pathfinder as it stands right now: about $375. This gets a lot more expensive if you want it to also include 3pp materials.Holy $#%%@#!
To my knowledge the one thing that HeroLab cannot do is easy modifications on-the-fly. I can definitely do that on my own with the more typical "sheets"/PDFs (depending on the PDF).That limitation and $375 do not go together well. Wow.
Thanks for clearing that up for me!
Time to use the true master race auto-sheet. The Roll20 Pathfinder one! Might join the effort to code it when the playtest is out.
Add more space for equipment.
I saw how to create a PF2 character on YouTube. Probably you should consider putting Equipment on another page, rather than cram it onto the back of the 1st page (i.e. page 2).
For me I say some issues:
#1 There seems to be far too little space for items
#2 There seems to be far too little space for traits [even in their own example]
#3 there is no place to track shields and dents
#4 there is no place to track spell points
#5 the action section seems far too small
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It should be pointed out that the huge Pathfinder cost listed includes all modules, all monsters, etc... To buy Hero Lab with the Pathfinder core books is $35. You can also add additional books (like the tiefling book, or blood of dragons, or the Iron Gods Module) in an ad hoc fashion.
Here is the blurb on starting out from their webpage:
Pathfinder players have two choices when purchasing Hero Lab: the Rulebook Entry Path OR the Class Pack Entry Path.
Each entry path offers a different approach to access the material from seven essential rulebooks: Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook, Advanced Player’s Guide, Ultimate Combat, Ultimate Magic, Advanced Class Guide, Occult Adventures, and Ultimate Intrigue. Both entry paths feature the same initial price of $34.99.
Boojum
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I did look at that. To get all of the archetypes, feats, spells, magic items, non-magical equipment ad nauseam requires the $375 investment.
Just the few books in the $35 bundle I can handle on my own using a word document or its equivalent.
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Chaosium put together a series of form-fillable PDF character sheets. If they can do that for their games, surely Paizo can do the same thing for Nouveau Pathfinder.