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So the reason for this is there are a lot of weapons that are under used because they cant be optimized. I am not looking for major advantages here but lets see if we can make use of some of these weapons. Using class, archetypes, feats, etc.
The First weapon I would like to see what can be done with is a Lasso.
Yes it is exotic so it cost a feat. Then I would use Equipment Trick to get other abilities with the rope.
With the [whip] you can use a 10ft section of rope like a whip with no penalty. Not sure if they means that Disarm, and trip can be used or not and if you have the feat chains for whip/ disarm / trip would they would for rope to then?
That would be a fun build using something different.
Torches would be another piece of equipment that could be a main weapon using, Torch Fighter, turns torches into light weapons that deal mace damage. Torch handling is another good feat, makes them simple weapons, and you get a couple other befits using the torch.
Kusarigama - is a weapon that I would love to know how to make it work well.
So what are some other unused equipment or weapons that never get used and how can we best use them.
The kama (1d6/20/x2) is a bad weapon: an exotic weapon feat for a weapon that is categorically worse than a shortsword (1d6/19-20/x2).
They could have at least given it the same damage profile as a shortsword and justified the extra feat cost for the monk and trip properities (both of which can be obtained on much better weapons, e.g. the nine-section whip (1d8/19-20/x2) blocking, distracting, monk, trip.
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The way I see it, a lot of gaming groups dislike a powergamer. So using a bad weapon is a nice handicap. It's like saying "I know I took magical lineage/magic missile and have +27 to hit when I'm not tripping 5 people from across the table, so here's my weak starknife. See? I'm totally not OP at all".
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The way I see it, a lot of gaming groups dislike a powergamer. So using a bad weapon is a nice handicap. It's like saying "I know I took magical lineage/magic missile and have +27 to hit when I'm not tripping 5 people from across the table, so here's my weak starknife. See? I'm totally not OP at all".
...so here's my weak starknife that I'll be using with Desna Shooting Star on a 5 Str / 7 Dex / 20 Cha Lunar Oracle Gnome with Cha to AC, Ref, attack and damage rolls.
But hey, at least I didn't get 2 levels of Paladin! (yet)
The Kusarigama is meant for a grapple monkey Tetori Monk, with Throatslicer, hamatula strike/grasp, improved/greater trip, etc.
The Lasso could be enchanted with the Conductive property and deliver touch attack spells for added effect. Think Wonder Woman-ish.
Most races have a way to gain EWP in their alternative racial features. So you generally don't need to burn a feat to play with fun toys.
Generally speaking, if they're 1-handed, they can be handed to the barbarian who will grip them in two hands and proceed to wreck face regardless.
Something similar is true with light weapons and the unchained rogue. As long as it's light, they can dual wield them just fine for a fistful of d6.
Bad ranged weapons are another matter. For thrown weapons, you'd have to start by taking the Weapon Mastery feat Ricochet Toss and work from there, but you'll always be behind a true longbow user... If we're talking a thrown piercing weapon, go Swashbuckler, maybe.
Crossbows are another matter. Sadly, they will never get on bows level, although they can get fairly close.
And @Gray Warden, those builds sound nice in theory, but actually getting them to work is a hassle. Half the feats you want for melee have dex requirements, and the other half has strength requirements. By the time you do Desna's Shooting Star + Artful Dodge + Swashbuckler + Oracle, you've spent two levels and two feats and you're not even really started on the fighting style you'll pursue yet. This sort of thing will almost always be outperformed by a straight dexterity build.
For thrown weapons
You can go the 'worst' for thrown and use improvised: treat them as throw away as the new gloves allow enhancements on any improvised weapon you pick up.
Crossbows are another matter.
They are better now with the alternate elf racial trait Crossbow training. With it, it drops light crossbows to a free reload and heavy to a move and with rapid reload, it allows free action reloads of heavy at 1st.
Half the feats you want for melee have dex requirements, and the other half has strength requirements. By the time you do Desna's Shooting Star + Artful Dodge + Swashbuckler + Oracle, you've spent two levels and two feats and you're not even really started on the fighting style you'll pursue yet. This sort of thing will almost always be outperformed by a straight dexterity build.
Avoid some dex requirements by taking 2 levels in ranger/brawler[w/ weapon mod]. Myself, I wouldn't throw str/dex all the way down. Myself, I have a brawler like that that is mainly cha but has low teens in the other stats.
The way I see it, a lot of gaming groups dislike a powergamer. So using a bad weapon is a nice handicap. It's like saying "I know I took magical lineage/magic missile and have +27 to hit when I'm not tripping 5 people from across the table, so here's my weak starknife. See? I'm totally not OP at all".
Charisma to-hit, charaima + Wisdom to damage, multiple attacks with a single thrown weapon, +6 untyped static damage mod in addition to getting two stats. If ranged does not work, switch to twf melee and keep going.
Bards, Summoners and Oracles can tear stuff up with a starknife.
Crossbows are another matter.They are better now with the alternate elf racial trait Crossbow training. With it, it drops light crossbows to a free reload and heavy to a move and with rapid reload, it allows free action reloads of heavy at 1st.
Yeah, and with Crossbow Ace 5 you can even add dexterity to damage.
Bows still rule, though. Manyshot, Str to damage and Bracers of Archery is just too much of an advantage. Crossbows can only get close.
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The First weapon I would like to see what can be done with is a Lasso.
Yes it is exotic so it cost a feat. Then I would use Equipment Trick to get other abilities with the rope.With the [whip] you can use a 10ft section of rope like a whip with no penalty. Not sure if they means that Disarm, and trip can be used or not and if you have the feat chains for whip/ disarm / trip would they would for rope to then?
That would be a fun build using something different.
You might want to pick up a Robe of Infinite Twine for this build.
A lot of simple weapons since for 3/4 BAB without martial proficiency. For example, the Morningstar is a great weapon if you only have simple proficiency.
Race goes a long way though. It's why you might see elven rogues two handing curve blades.
Half Elf ancestral arms switches out skill focus for exotic weapon proficiency. So if you are confident in your will save without dual minded, you can totally pick up a fancy weapon like the aklys which is the only light 1d8 weapon.
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Racial Heritage does not work that way...Racial Heritage allows you to take character traits and feats for the race you choose...it does not allow you to take alternate racial traits.
Even if it did, if you are a Human with Racial Heritage: Gnome, you would still have no way of taking Master Tinker, because you have to give up the Gnome's Defensive Training and Hatred racial traits to be able to select Master Tinker...a human does not have those to give up.
So the reason for this is there are a lot of weapons that are under used because they cant be optimized. I am not looking for major advantages here but lets see if we can make use of some of these weapons. Using class, archetypes, feats, etc.
The First weapon I would like to see what can be done with is a Lasso.
Yes it is exotic so it cost a feat. Then I would use Equipment Trick to get other abilities with the rope.With the [whip] you can use a 10ft section of rope like a whip with no penalty. Not sure if they means that Disarm, and trip can be used or not and if you have the feat chains for whip/ disarm / trip would they would for rope to then?
That would be a fun build using something different.
Torches would be another piece of equipment that could be a main weapon using, Torch Fighter, turns torches into light weapons that deal mace damage. Torch handling is another good feat, makes them simple weapons, and you get a couple other befits using the torch.
Kusarigama - is a weapon that I would love to know how to make it work well.
So what are some other unused equipment or weapons that never get used and how can we best use them.
Warpriest, fighter with AWT:Focused weapon, Paladin with the tempered champion archetype are all the easiest ways to make bad weapons work by simply upping the damage die as you level.
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Crossbows are another matter.
They are better now with the alternate elf racial trait Crossbow training. With it, it drops light crossbows to a free reload and heavy to a move and with rapid reload, it allows free action reloads of heavy at 1st.
Where is the elf alternate trait Crossbow training from ??
Where is the elf alternate trait Crossbow training from ??
Hidden in AP #124, pg#79-80, in the mordant spire section. There you'll find new alternate elf racial traits Crossbow Training,
Natural Swimmer and Tongue of the Sea. There is also the Spire Diver Slayer Archetype and the Barracuda Style feat tree.
Where is the elf alternate trait Crossbow training from ??Hidden in AP #124, pg#79-80, in the mordant spire section. There you'll find new alternate elf racial traits Crossbow Training,
Natural Swimmer and Tongue of the Sea. There is also the Spire Diver Slayer Archetype and the Barracuda Style feat tree.
Thanks for that I even subscribe but I missed it.
Thanks for that I even subscribe but I missed it.Where is the elf alternate trait Crossbow training from ??Hidden in AP #124, pg#79-80, in the mordant spire section. There you'll find new alternate elf racial traits Crossbow Training,
Natural Swimmer and Tongue of the Sea. There is also the Spire Diver Slayer Archetype and the Barracuda Style feat tree.
LOL I know what you mean. I had a devil of a time remembering where it was the first time I wanted to mention it as neither online site has it added.
I left a message on d20 so hopefully it'll get on soon but nethys is pretty far back on adding AP material so it might take some time there. [they seem to be focused on adding starfinder ATM].
The Kusarigama is meant for a grapple monkey Tetori Monk,Funny, I don't really like the Grapple Weapon Quality, even when I am making a Grappling character. I'm certainly uninspired by the Grappling Quality in the Kusarigama: it only triggers on a Crit, and the Kusarigama only Threatens a Crit on a 20.
The things that turn me on about the Kusarigama are that it can do either Slashing or Blunt Damage and that it is simultaneously a Monk, Double and Reach Weapon. That means you can 2 Weapon Fight with Reach or Flurry of Blows with Reach. So I'm thinking 2 really good ways to use the Kusarigama would be as a Warpriest and replace the Kusarigama's anemic weapon Damage with Sacred Weapon Damage, and when your opponents close in, use Armor Spikes, which you also might do Sacred Weapon Damage for. Take Lunge for even more Reach. Take Phalanx Formation (Is that the right Feat?) so your allies can't be used as Cover against you. Now you are in an ideal situation to backpack your allies like a Cleric but still deliver significant melee pain without having to come out from behind your meat shields.
To offset the anemic damage as a Monk, take Ascetic Style Feats, and your Kusarigama damage will increase behind your Monk Unarmed Strike Damage.
You are obviously smarter me in creative ways to properly use the kusarigama.
The Divine Fighting Technique feat adds quite some options to otherwise suboptimal weapons. For example, you can do a ranged steal maneuver with a crossbow, sicken with a light mace or get additional AOO with a warhammer.