Female Kitsune - Male Human... is there a way to do this?

[pauljathome]

SCPRedMage wrote:

Paul Jackson wrote:

Has it been officially ruled that a Kitsune cannot change gender? Could somebody please point me to that ruling.

Well, the base kitsune Change Shape ability says:

Advanced Race Guide wrote:

Change Shape (Su): A kitsune can assume the appearance of a specific single human form of the same sex.

...

Realistic Likeness, however, specifically expands your Change Shape to allow you to control what shape you take, and doesn't specify any gender restrictions; nor have I been able to find any relevant FAQ rulings. You shouldn't have any problems with using it to change your gender in human form.

I was definitely thinking of a Kitsune with Realistic Likeness when I posted (totally forgot to mention that, mind :-)).

Thanks for the answer. My Kitsune trickster sort changed genders so much (and spent so much time as a human) that he/she regularly forgot which gender he/she actually was :-)

[Wei Ji the Learner]

I don't normally make kitsune characters, but all of this discussion has really piqued my interest at a possible future rivethune kitsune who is trying to figure themselves out in a spiritual/mental/physical/social fashion.

[Neriathale]

Slightly at a tangent here... a kitsune' human form is specific to them, it's their own face . So if a kitsune in human form has to make a disguise check to avoid being recognised, does that mean that in kitform they also have to make a disguise check to avoid being recognised as their human identity? Or does the system assume that all furries look alike to humans?

[BigNorseWolf]

Neriathale wrote:

Slightly at a tangent here... a kitsune' human form is specific to them, it's their own face . So if a kitsune in human form has to make a disguise check to avoid being recognised, does that mean that in kitform they also have to make a disguise check to avoid being recognised as their human identity? or does the system assume that all furrieslook alike to humans?

Its not clear if succeeding at a perception check means that you're recognized as you or (more likely) you're just recognized as being in a disguise.

[Jeffrey Fox]

Sir Loin - Knightspawn wrote:

Or am I just being silly and should continue playing him as is?

I can't speak for other GM's, but my opinion is if you were at my table you could play the character as is as long as you have and others at the table have fun. Sex causes enough hurt for people in real life that forcing fantasy characters to conform just seems wrong to me.

[Cyrad]

I find it inconsiderate to derail a discussion about rules questions with a debate over gender identity politics and political correctness.

Sir Loin - Knightspawn wrote:

quotes from the Disguise skill:
"If you are impersonating a particular individual, those who know what that person looks like get a bonus on their Perception checks according to the table below. Furthermore, they are automatically considered to be suspicious of you, so opposed checks are always called for."

and

"An individual makes a Perception check to see through your disguise immediately upon meeting you and again every hour thereafter".

and

"Special: Magic that alters your form, such as alter self, disguise self, polymorph, or shapechange, grants you a +10 bonus on Disguise checks (see the individual spell descriptions)."

Those rules only come into play when you impersonate someone. If you created the identity, then you're not impersonating anyone. Even if you used Realistic Likeness to become female by impersonating a real person, no one would get an automatic Perception check unless they are familiar with how that person looks. If you impersonated some random nobody commoner from a distant land, likely no one would be considered automatically suspicious of you.

And I'll repeat what I said earlier. It's extremely unlikely for a GM to force a Disguise check on you if you use Realistic Likeness or transformation sequence. PFS GMs don't have time to question a legitimate, intended use for a feat/ability. And even if they did, a +28 bonus should have you covered for the Disguise check.

[Sara Marie]

I removed a number of posts and replies and have locked the thread. While I appreciate the willingness to discuss how to make this character work for the OP, some posts have been edging into territory that is aggressive or otherwise hurtful to members of our community. Additionally, text based mediums for communication often make conveying tone difficult. Sarcasm and hyperbole can easily negatively escalate a conversation. Our goal is for the paizo.com forum to be a welcoming environment. While we recognize that there are various rules in our products that might be unclear or ambiguous, fighting about the biology of gender does not help us promote a welcoming community.