Guess Mystery Monster From Planar Advenures.


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


It was mentioned in the Planar Adventures product page that there will be a CR30 monster in it's bestiary. So lest play a game where we guess what the monster might be.

This is what we know so far...
-It has been mentioned before but not stated up(until this book).
-It is from mythology.
-It is not an outsider.
-It is not from one of the evil planes.

Since this is in Planar Adventures it is very likely it not from the material plane.


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This should be interesting. ^_^


"-It is not an outsider. "
If it's not an outsider, then it's from the material plane, right?

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Doppleman wrote:

"-It is not an outsider. "

If it's not an outsider, then it's from the material plane, right?

Not necessarily. The grimslake is just one example of a nonoutsider native to another plane. ^_^

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*munches on popcorn*


A high powered elemental?
Like an earth, TRex, animental?


Elementals are outsiders.

My random wild stab is going to be Nidhogg, the dragon that gnaws upon the roots of the World Tree, re-imagined for Pathfinder (which doesn't have a world tree).

I'm trying to think of what other mythological creatures that aren't gods (or god-class threats like Fenrir and Jormungand*) that rate being CR 30....

Garuda, perhaps?

* Loki's sons Fenrir and Jormungand are probably too strong to be CR 30.


Ymir or Surtr maybe?

I mean, come Ragnarök Surtr is fated to kill Freyr, who is a god, and then engulf the earth in flames. That seems CR 30 to me.


The only Cr30's I can think of that are not outsiders, are a) unique NPC's eg Baba Yaga, and b) Great Old Ones (aberrations). I'm guessing another Great Old One gets stats...

PS. Elementals are out, being a subset of outsiders.


Galactus guys its Galactus.

Seriously though what was the name of that giant space creature that was on the front of the 3rd edition manual of the planes?


CR 30s seem to be able to cause local disasters (the Oliphant of Jandelay can constantly trash a five mile radius), but don't cause planetwide catastrophes on their own. Which is why Jormungand's a problem - CR 30 is too weak to represent the World Serpent. And probably the same with Fenrir, who can straight up consume gods.

Pathfinder's take on Sutr is Zursvaater, who's a full god.

The king of the frost giants is also a full god (though he's gone dormant and Kostchtchie is poaching his followers).

And so, what the heck is out there that's above most archangels/demons/demi-gods without also being a peer of the actual gods?

@ Vidmaster: Astral Dreadnought? That's probably only CR 22 or so.


I am siding with PossibleCabbage on a Norse myth, though I would guess Jormungand the World Serpent if I had to. (Although maybe he's already been done for all I know, I don't keep up on such things if they don't get mentioned on the forums.)


Jörmungandr, Snake on the Planes.


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I thought the Directorsaur just specified it wasn't necessarily an outsider, not that it absolutely wasn't?


You just can't trust dinosaurs.


Cross an ancient red dragon with a dire TRex and call it Pathzilla.


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Flying Spaghetti Monster, Empyreal Lord of Flumphs.


Kalindlara wrote:
Doppleman wrote:

"-It is not an outsider. "

If it's not an outsider, then it's from the material plane, right?

Not necessarily. The grimslake is just one example of a nonoutsider native to another plane. ^_^

I was curious about how common this was, so here's a list of some non-outsider extraplanar creatures, for reference.

List:
abaddon gigas (humanoid, Abaddon)
abyss gigas (humanoid, Abyss)
ankou (fey, First World)
bathysphere (vermin, Plane of Water)
bodak (undead, Abyss or other evil aligned plane)
bokrug (magical beast, Dimension of Dreams)
brine dragon (dragon, Plane of Water)
carnivorous crystal (ooze, Plane of Earth)
cinderghost (undead, Plane of Fire)
cloud dragon (dragon, Plane of Air)
crystal dragon (dragon, Plane of Earth)
dawn piper (fey, First World)
devastator (construct, Abyss)
devourer (undead, "beyond the planes")
dream naga (aberration, Dimension of Dreams)
dwiergeth (aberration, Abyss)
fungus queen (plant, Abyss)
grand defender (construct, Heaven)
grim reaper (undead, Negative Energy Plane)
grimslake (aberration, Abyss)
grodair (magical beast, First World)
hell gigas (humanoid, Hell)
hellwasp swarm (vermin, Hell)
immortal ichor (ooze, evil aligned plane)
irminsul (plant, First World or any)
julunggali (magical beast, unknown)
latten mechanism (construct, Axis)
lawgiver (construct, Axis)
leng spider (magical beast, Leng)
lurker in light (fey, First World or elemental plane)
magma dragon (dragon, Plane of Fire)
melfesh monster (plant, Abaddon or First World)
minor reaper (undead, Negative Energy Plane)
mother's maw (undead, Abaddon)
murajau (monstrous humanoid, Plane of Water)
nightgaunt (monstrous humanoid, Dimension of Dreams)
nightshade (undead, Negative Energy Plane)
prism dragon (dragon, unknown)
retriever (construct, Abyss)
riftcreeper (ooze, Abyss)
shadow giant (humanoid, Plane of Shadow)
shadowgarm (aberration, Plane of Shadow)
skrik nettle (magical beast, First World)
spawn of yog-sothoth (aberration, Dark Tapestry)
tooth fairy (fey, First World)
umbral dragon (dragon, Plane of Shadow)
urannag (construct, Abyss)
veldenar (magical beast, Plane of Air)
warmonger wasp (construct, Abyss)
zomok (plant, First World)

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Dαedαlus wrote:
I thought the Directorsaur just specified it wasn't necessarily an outsider, not that it absolutely wasn't?

In fact the way JJ wrote his answer, I am pretty sure that it is an outsider


Remember it is not just a creature from myth but something that has been mentioned before. I would assume they meant mentioned in one of the Golarion specific products but they could also mean mentioned on the site by someone who works for the company.

Also I don't remember any of the great old ones being from mythology(that haven't been stated) but who knows.

I don't remember any of the Norse myth stuff being cannon to Golarion as well.

I don't recall Cerberus being mentioned and besides even if he was, he would more then likely be found in one of evil planes though he could be in the Boneyard.

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Likely it's something referenced in book which D78 skipped after reading the outline :P


It could be one of the Eldest or one of the most powerful of the Tane.


Avoron wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Doppleman wrote:

"-It is not an outsider. "

If it's not an outsider, then it's from the material plane, right?

Not necessarily. The grimslake is just one example of a nonoutsider native to another plane. ^_^

I was curious about how common this was, so here's a list of some non-outsider extraplanar creatures, for reference.

** spoiler omitted **...

What, no hekatonkheires?


blahpers wrote:
Avoron wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Doppleman wrote:

"-It is not an outsider. "

If it's not an outsider, then it's from the material plane, right?

Not necessarily. The grimslake is just one example of a nonoutsider native to another plane. ^_^

I was curious about how common this was, so here's a list of some non-outsider extraplanar creatures, for reference.

** spoiler omitted **...
What, no hekatonkheires?

They're outsiders, right?


I feel like the "mentioned in a book before" is perhaps the least helpful clue (except to exclude things that have previously been stated up, I guess) since there have been a *lot* of Pathfinder books over the last 10 years.


Avoron wrote:
blahpers wrote:
Avoron wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Doppleman wrote:

"-It is not an outsider. "

If it's not an outsider, then it's from the material plane, right?

Not necessarily. The grimslake is just one example of a nonoutsider native to another plane. ^_^

I was curious about how common this was, so here's a list of some non-outsider extraplanar creatures, for reference.

** spoiler omitted **...
What, no hekatonkheires?
They're outsiders, right?

Crap! You're right. For some reason I expected titans to be humanoid.


Yeah, but many of the creatures, if not most, that have been mentioned are found on Golarion. Since this is a Planar Adventures book look for creatures mentioned that are not from/on Golarion and that are clearly not outsiders.


When I get off work maybe I will get a chance to look at some campaign setting books for this mystery creature. The first choice should be The Great Beyond.


Go to Paizo Outsider.

https://pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Outsider

If a native outsider is out, I'm not sure there is an answer.


Maybe Typhon from Greek Mythology? Not really an outsider, but could have been banished to another plane


In Pathfinder Typhon is a deceased archdevil.

Goth Guru the creature in question is not an outsider.


There's at least one dead demigod turned undead already. Perhaps an undead version of a deceased divine power?


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Leviathan
- Mentioned in The First World Campaign Setting
- Lives in the First World
- Not an outsider
- Mythological (Hebrew, maybe others)

CR30 seems right as Ragahdan is scared of this thing.


If it is Leviathan then it would be the first new Tane we have seen for a while now.


Malachandra wrote:

Leviathan

- Mentioned in The First World Campaign Setting
- Lives in the First World
- Not an outsider
- Mythological (Hebrew, maybe others)

CR30 seems right as Ragahdan is scared of this thing.

Or Behemoth. Maybe both.

Scarab Sages

blahpers wrote:
Flying Spaghetti Monster, Empyreal Lord of Flumphs.

Must It be an Empyreal Lord?

What's so wrong with a Lawful Good Great Old One?


Kthanid is an abomination against writing.

@ Goth Guru - behemoths are simply a class of monster rather than a unique creature.

Our mystery CR 30 being Leviathan would be pretty cool, though.


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As long as it isn't one of the Eldest because I want all of them stated up in one place.


Zhangar wrote:

Kthanid is an abomination against writing.

@ Goth Guru - behemoths are simply a class of monster rather than a unique creature.

Our mystery CR 30 being Leviathan would be pretty cool, though.

In dark water, Leviathan was a race of aquatic monster.

There was still a Leviathan religion.
I meant The Behemoth! The super gargantuan hippo like omnivore.

Dark Archive

Guideline for avatar of gods? :P Yeah probably not xD

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