If healing a helpless comrade are you occupying their square for purpose of AOO?


Rules Questions


Your unconscious comrade is knocked out in the next square to you. If you bend over/reach across and lay on hands or heal or give a potion to this unconscious ally, do the foes within striking distance of the helpless comrade get an attack of opportunity on you? Or are you considered to still be in your own square for attacks of opportunity?
Or both? I mean, your hands and part of your body must be in the helpless ally's square in order to help them? Please point me in the right direction ...


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You are in your own square for all technical purposes, despite bending over.

FAQ wrote:

Reach and Objects: Can you pick up or manipulate an object in a square within your reach? Does this provoke an AOO? Does it provoke even if the foe can reach the object, but not your space?

The rules are a little hazy here, but to put it simply, you can affect objects and creatures within your reach. When picking up or manipulating objects, you generally provoke an attack of opportunity, but only against foes that can reach your space. You do not provoke attacks of opportunity from foes that cannot reach you, no matter what action you are taking, even if it includes reaching into a threatened space. Although it might seem realistic to allow an attack in such a case, it would make the game far too complicated.


So if you picked up the helpless ally then you could do this without provoking an AOO from any square threatening the ally's original square. And after the end of your turn the helpless ally would then be inside your square.

Scarab Sages

I think "Picking up" might require you to move into the ally's square. You usually lift something straight up, it is difficult to imagine holding your arms out and lifting them up holding them away from your body (though I guess with 20+ str you probably could). Though looking in the encumbrance section I don't see any specific "lift" rule that says this, so... it might vary by table.

But dragging them is fine if you wanted to move them out of range of a coup de grace, for example. If you are not sure what your GM will rule, just drag them a few squares away. That way you are sure to never enter the ally's square.


Fuzzy-Wuzzy wrote:

You are in your own square for all technical purposes, despite bending over.

FAQ wrote:

Reach and Objects: Can you pick up or manipulate an object in a square within your reach? Does this provoke an AOO? Does it provoke even if the foe can reach the object, but not your space?

The rules are a little hazy here, but to put it simply, you can affect objects and creatures within your reach. When picking up or manipulating objects, you generally provoke an attack of opportunity, but only against foes that can reach your space. You do not provoke attacks of opportunity from foes that cannot reach you, no matter what action you are taking, even if it includes reaching into a threatened space. Although it might seem realistic to allow an attack in such a case, it would make the game far too complicated.

100% correct, and that is why the the Strikeback feat exist because you only threaten based on the square occupied, not where someone is reaching.

PS:No the strikeback feat couldn't be used in this case.

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