Level 21 Character incoming

[Pirate Rob]

Hi PFS staff, just as a heads up, I've applied an Extended Travels boon to a level 20 character.

In one year they'll earn 3 more xp and have 60xp and be level 21.

Does the character get a feat? Does anything else weird happen?

Good news is you've got a year to sort it out.

Thanks,

-Pirate Rob
PS. Thank's BNW for the boon to make it happen.

[BigNorseWolf]

I get blamed for everything. It's not fair. Only half of its my fault...

[Dustin Knight]

This thread is amazing.

[SCPRedMage]

On the topic of feats, the Core Rulebook only ever says that creatures get a number of feats based upon their hit dice; it never defines what that progression is, so you're left to consult the advancement table for that info.

That said, in Bestiary 1, page 292, in the rules for creating monsters, we have this:

Step 6: Skills and Feats wrote:

Each creature with an Intelligence score receives a number of feats equal to 1 + 1 per every 2 Hit Dice after the first (so, 1 at 1 HD, 2 at 3 HD, etc.).

If that is to be considered a general rule (which it should be), then yes, you should get a feat at level 21.

[Serisan]

Pirate Rob wrote:

Hi PFS staff, just as a heads up, I've applied an Extended Travels boon to a level 20 character.

In one year they'll earn 3 more xp and have 60xp and be level 21.

Does the character get a feat? Does anything else weird happen?

Good news is you've got a year to sort it out.

Thanks,

-Pirate Rob
PS. Thank's BNW for the boon to make it happen.

I spoke with Tonya about this at PaizoCon. A level 20 character is not a valid choice for Extended Travels. I wanted my Psychic to hit 21. She said no.

[Pirate Rob]

I'm going to be very sad if that's true. I've been hard at work setting up this scheme for months :/

[TOZ]

You weren't the only one. :P

[Wei Ji the Learner]

If that's the case, then shouldn't the Boon have that writing on it to indicate such?

[Pirate Rob]

It specifically has rewards listed if applied to a level 20 character.

[TriOmegaZero]

Maybe it's like that kobold option on Mounted Tradition.

[Serisan]

Pirate Rob wrote:

It specifically has rewards listed if applied to a level 20 character.

Yeah, that was exactly what I responded with. Very reasonably, though, the counterpoint is that Pathfinder does not have firm rules for post-20 characters. The only thing out there is the guideline section of the GM chapter of the CRB, as I recall.

[Slim Jim]

Tons of AARP junk-mail inbound in 3...2...1....

[FiddlersGreen]

Pirate Rob, we still have many in-game centuries to go before the Level 21 crew become a thing on Absalom. ;)

[Nefreet]

I am totally reading the text of the first post in Rob's excitable, happy tone ^_^

[Arutema]

Pirate Rob wrote:

Hi PFS staff, just as a heads up, I've applied an Extended Travels boon to a level 20 character.

In one year they'll earn 3 more xp and have 60xp and be level 21.

Does the character get a feat? Does anything else weird happen?

Good news is you've got a year to sort it out.

Thanks,

-Pirate Rob
PS. Thank's BNW for the boon to make it happen.

I'm pretty sure you just broke the mathematical laws of the PF universe.

Now we know who to blame for The Gap.

[Tallow]

I've got a character who should be hitting 21 on the 3rd weekend of February.

[Belafon]

I have this image of Linda and John with their heads together over a conference table, snickering evilly as they read this thread and deciding to start development on a scenario that can handle characters all the way to level 20. But not beyond.

Obviously not really. But in my mini-movie, the discussion goes something like this: "So, how many characters would be level 21 and too high to play?" "As far as we know, only Rob and Andy will have level 21 characters." "Totally worth it just to mess with those two!"

[Noven]

NOW I undrstand why the level 21 crew were so awesome on Absalom Station.

[Tallow]

Kevin Willis wrote:

I have this image of Linda and John with their heads together over a conference table, snickering evilly as they read this thread and deciding to start development on a scenario that can handle characters all the way to level 20. But not beyond.

Obviously not really. But in my mini-movie, the discussion goes something like this: "So, how many characters would be level 21 and too high to play?" "As far as we know, only Rob and Andy will have level 21 characters." "Totally worth it just to mess with those two!"

But... my frog needs to be 21!

[Tallow]

Serisan wrote:

Pirate Rob wrote:

Hi PFS staff, just as a heads up, I've applied an Extended Travels boon to a level 20 character.

In one year they'll earn 3 more xp and have 60xp and be level 21.

Does the character get a feat? Does anything else weird happen?

Good news is you've got a year to sort it out.

Thanks,

-Pirate Rob
PS. Thank's BNW for the boon to make it happen.

I spoke with Tonya about this at PaizoCon. A level 20 character is not a valid choice for Extended Travels. I wanted my Psychic to hit 21. She said no.

Not sure why it would have to be restricted. There are only 2 paths to 21, both of which must have Race for the Runecarved Key and this boon in play at the end of the character's career.

Then its over. Done, finito. I doubt we get any other 16+ play let alone anything 20+. So who cares if someone uses a boon to officially make their character level 21. That character will never see the light of day again.

[TriOmegaZero]

Probably so people won't waste their boons on nothing.

[Grumbleguggle]

i didnt know they had level 20 play

[Serisan]

Steven Schopmeyer wrote:

Probably so people won't waste their boons on nothing.

I would think that an inside joke is a perfectly reasonable use of a boon that otherwise feels bad to apply to most characters.

[Tallow]

Steven Schopmeyer wrote:

Probably so people won't waste their boons on nothing.

It's their boon, if they want to waste it, that's up to them isn't it?

Also, Serisan or Pirate Rob, can you perhaps post the text of the boon? I don't believe it works the way you guys think it does. I'm pretty sure you have to actually PLAY the character a year later to then apply the boon. So the only way to accomplish this would be to leave the character dormant at level 19.2 for one year, apply the boon to make it 20.2, then play Race for the Runecarved Key at level 20.2 to get to 21.

[Shivok]

Kevin Willis wrote:

I have this image of Linda and John with their heads together over a conference table, snickering evilly as they read this thread and deciding to start development on a scenario that can handle characters all the way to level 20. But not beyond.

Obviously not really. But in my mini-movie, the discussion goes something like this: "So, how many characters would be level 21 and too high to play?" "As far as we know, only Rob and Andy will have level 21 characters." "Totally worth it just to mess with those two!"

And here is the 21st+ Scenario blurb!

PFS EP-01 The Return of the Last Azlanti

The Decemvirate has gathered heroes of legend - the mightiest pathfinders whose epic abilities can change the world. Their task is nothing short of monumental as the society has agreed to assist a mysterious stranger in recovering the pieces of a mystical contract scattered all over Golarion and beyond. This epic journey will take you into the Eye of Abedengo, deep below the Worldwound and into Pharasma's Boneyard as the pathfinders search for the three pieces of the Godsoul Covenant to combine it and release the trapped godsoul of Aroden and usher in a new age of Prophecy.

[TOZ]

Tallow wrote:

Steven Schopmeyer wrote:

Probably so people won't waste their boons on nothing.

It's their boon, if they want to waste it, that's up to them isn't it?

I should go set my Extended Travels on fire then.

[Wei Ji the Learner]

...before you do that...

[Nefreet]

Grumbleguggle wrote:

i didnt know they had level 20 play

Yep!

Ten scenarios for level 12+, and LOTS of sanctioned Modules and APs with Chronicles going up to Level 18.

[Tallow]

TOZ wrote:

Tallow wrote:

Steven Schopmeyer wrote:

Probably so people won't waste their boons on nothing.

It's their boon, if they want to waste it, that's up to them isn't it?

I should go set my Extended Travels on fire then.

Some people may feel similarly to me, that this particular boon is useless except for a character that you basically never plan to play again. So in this case, it isn't wasting the boon... YMMV

[Pirate Rob]

Extended Travels Relevant Text:

Record the date on the line below. For 6 months after you apply this boon you cannot play this character or apply credit to them. When the character returns after this journey they gain 1xp, 2 prestige and gold based on their level when they began their journey.

If you instead wait 9 months double the rewards. Triple if you wait 12 months.

There is then a chart with gold rewards for characters leveled 1-20

As a note I no way expect there to be playable content for a 21st level character, although Shivok's adventure sounds pretty awesome.