I saw this in a similar thread, but it seemed unclear and I thought I'd have better luck if I made a new one for a straight answer to this question, I'm aware of the FAQ on unchained rogues and how their damage works, but apparently it probably works differently for different abilities.
Is there a clear ruling on whether I get x1 dexterity, x1.5 or x2 if I use a two handed weapon with mythic finesse and the Two Handed Fighter archetype's overhand chop?
(And is the answer the same if I instead use dragon style / ferocity?)
If it turns out there isn't a clear ruling, could lots of people weigh in on their opinions, or perhaps FAQ it?
Mythic Weapon Finesse:
When using Weapon Finesse, you may also use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on your damage rolls.
As there is no language indicating otherwise, DEX should simply replace STR in whatever multiple would have been applied.
If the two-handed weapon is finessable it should work, but the Elven Curve Blade is the only two-handed weapon I know of that is finessable.
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If the two-handed weapon is finessable it should work, but the Elven Curve Blade is the only two-handed weapon I know of that is finessable.
The Elven Branched Spear is the other, and the Glaive can be made finesseable via the "Bladed Brush" feat (which has issues with slashing grace but works fine for UnRogues). A human fighter can probably thus make any polearm finesseable with Bladed Brush and Martial Versatility.
Yeah. The FAQ just didn't mention mythic weapon finesse because it's so non-standard.
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If the two-handed weapon is finessable it should work, but the Elven Curve Blade is the only two-handed weapon I know of that is finessable.
Aldori Dueling Sword is also usable 2 handed
If the two-handed weapon is finessable it should work, but the Elven Curve Blade is the only two-handed weapon I know of that is finessable.The Elven Branched Spear is the other, and the Glaive can be made finesseable via the "Bladed Brush" feat (which has issues with slashing grace but works fine for UnRogues). A human fighter can probably thus make any polearm finesseable with Bladed Brush and Martial Versatility.
The Estoc can also be Finessed in one or both hands.
So an unchained rogue 3/swashbuckler X could two-handed power attack with the glaive and get precise strike too? Seems pretty fun is that pfs legal?
Mythic is not PFS legal so that is why it won't work.
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So an unchained rogue 3/swashbuckler X could two-handed power attack with the glaive and get precise strike too? Seems pretty fun is that pfs legal?Mythic is not PFS legal so that is why it won't work.
He's talking about using a Glaive with the Bladed Brush feat. Unfortunately that feat is not PFS legal.
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Isn't the now bad spiked chain still finesseable?
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He's talking about using a Glaive with the Bladed Brush feat. Unfortunately that feat is not PFS legal.Drats. I thought I could finally make an effective take on the Red Viper lol.
Just use an Elven Branched Spear (and play a half-elf for Ancestral Arms) and it is legal, however! :)
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Just use an Elven Branched Spear (and play a half-elf for Ancestral Arms) and it is legal, however! :)He's talking about using a Glaive with the Bladed Brush feat. Unfortunately that feat is not PFS legal.Drats. I thought I could finally make an effective take on the Red Viper lol.
Side Note: When you have proficiency with all martial weapons, Weapon Familiarity is a better trade for Adaptability than Ancestral Arms since it gets you proficiency with the Elven Branched Spear, Elven Curve Blade, Elven Thornblade, and Elven Leafblade.
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Side Note: When you have proficiency with all martial weapons, Weapon Familiarity is a better trade for Adaptability than Ancestral Arms since it gets you proficiency with the Elven Branched Spear, Elven Curve Blade, Elven Thornblade, and Elven Leafblade.Just use an Elven Branched Spear (and play a half-elf for Ancestral Arms) and it is legal, however! :)He's talking about using a Glaive with the Bladed Brush feat. Unfortunately that feat is not PFS legal.Drats. I thought I could finally make an effective take on the Red Viper lol.
Good point :)
So x2 dex to damage with overhand chop or dragon ferocity? That's pretty good news, thanks!
Elven Branched Spear would be good if you are AoO-fishing (+2 on all Attacks of Opportunity).
Elven Branched Spear would be good if you are AoO-fishing (+2 on all Attacks of Opportunity).
I never noticed that about the branched spear before... Anything that charged you while you had your spear braced would be in for a world of hurt...
So x2 dex to damage with overhand chop or dragon ferocity? That's pretty good news, thanks!
So x2 dex to damage with overhand chop or dragon ferocity? That's pretty good news, thanks!Nope.
The FAQ was mentioned in the question, people seem to think it only relates to the unchained rogue's ability and not the mythic feat. Can you explain why it doesn't and convince them rather than just saying "nope" and linking the thing that everyone is aware of?
He linked it and said "Nope" because the "thing that everyone is aware of" says so.
There really isn't anything more to explain than that.
He linked it and said "Nope" because the "thing that everyone is aware of" says so.
There really isn't anything more to explain than that.
So does that FAQ about the unchained rogue apply unanimously to all effects that can grant dex to damage? (Because I thought it was only about the unchained rogue, and I got the impression other people in this thread thought the same, hence why I wasn't impressed when he just linked the FAQ that I'd already mentioned without actually explaining why an unchained rogue FAQ isn't about the unchained rogue...)
I'm aware of the FAQ on unchained rogues and how their damage works, but apparently it probably works differently for different abilities.
You could say the question I was asking from the start is about whether or not that FAQ about unchained rogues is actually an FAQ about everything else that gives dex to damage disguised as an FAQ about unchained rogues. Given the other responses in this thread it's clear not everyone agrees that the FAQ applies to more than the unchained rogue and I want to be certain of the rules here.
The bayonet is also finessable.
Not that it's good, mind you. There are other edge cases. Katana. Katseku Shigo iirc. (sp?)
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As far as I'm aware all other dex to damage abilities specifically call out how they interact with strength - either by limiting you to a one handed weapon so it doesn't arise or specifying you only add flat dex to damage.
If a relevant ability doesn't specify it should replace strength on a like for like basis.
As far as I'm aware all other dex to damage abilities specifically call out how they interact with strength - either by limiting you to a one handed weapon so it doesn't arise or specifying you only add flat dex to damage.
If a relevant ability doesn't specify it should replace strength on a like for like basis.
That seems to be what most people think and what makes the most sense. Though it'd be nice if there was confirmation on it because the unchained FAQ (which specifically only addresses the unchained rogue) says that isn't the case for the rogue's ability.
There are some people that think the unchained rogue FAQ sets a precedent for all other abilities (including mythic finesse apparently) instead of just the unchained rogue - I'm assuming thorin001 is one of those people... But I'd like to actually know which is correct.
So does that FAQ about the unchained rogue apply unanimously to all effects that can grant dex to damage? (Because I thought it was only about the unchained rogue, and I got the impression other people in this thread thought the same, hence why I wasn't impressed when he just linked the FAQ that I'd already mentioned without actually explaining why an unchained rogue FAQ isn't about the unchained rogue...)He linked it and said "Nope" because the "thing that everyone is aware of" says so.
There really isn't anything more to explain than that.
The FAQ link was in response to people saying they can get 2X Dex with feats and abilities that increase their modifiers, which the FAQ says no unless the base modifier was already that amount.
There's also the idea that a FAQ can be precedence for other rules interactions that are similar in nature, such as the Agile property, Slashing/Fencing Grace, Dervish Dance, and so on. And considering how much Paizo hates Dex to Damage options, it'd be no surprise that they would apply that FAQ ruling across other Dex to Damage options.
The bayonet is also finessable.
Not that it's good, mind you. There are other edge cases. Katana. Katseku Shigo iirc. (sp?)
Katana is not finessable.
The FAQ link was in response to people saying they can get 2X Dex with feats and abilities that increase their modifiers, which the FAQ says no unless the base modifier was already that amount.
The FAQ is under the unchained rogue section and doesn't say that it applies to anything other than the unchained rogues ability; I can understand people thinking that might set a precedent, but I wouldn't want to just assume it did.