something like Magical Knack for Alchemists?


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Is there something like Magical Knack for Alchemists?

Something like a Trait, or a Feat that would increase the CL of an Alchemist (a multi-class Alchemist) for his Mutagen and/or Extracts?


Alhemical Prodigy, Enduring Mutagen

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Joesi wrote:
Alhemical Prodigy, Enduring Mutagen

wow - I had about given up on this thread.

Thank you for the response... ah... where are these two from? What are they? Traits? Feats? ... Enduring Mutagen sounds like a Discovery... I'll see if I can find them.

Scarab Sages

They are both traits, but they aren't as good as magical knack is for casters.

Alchemical Prodigy
Enduring Mutagen

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Imbicatus wrote:

They are both traits, but they aren't as good as magical knack is for casters.

Alchemical Prodigy
Enduring Mutagen

Thanks!

wow... very... underwhelming.

Scarab Sages

Alchemical prodigy could be nice for a single class Alchemist. Unlike magical knack, the duration increase can go over your character level.

Still, it's only one CL and it only affects duration.

Dark Archive

It wouldn't touch the mutagen, but why would you not be able to use just regular Magical Knack for the extracts?

Alchemy wrote:
]Although the alchemist doesn't actually cast spells, he does have a formulae list that determines what extracts he can create. An alchemist can utilize spell-trigger items if the spell appears on his formulae list, but not spell-completion items (unless he uses Use Magic Device to do so). An extract is “cast” by drinking it, as if imbibing a potion—the effects of an extract exactly duplicate the spell upon which its formula is based, save that the spell always affects only the drinking alchemist. An alchemist can draw and drink an extract as a standard action. The alchemist uses his level as the caster level to determine any effect based on caster level.
Magical Knack wrote:
You were raised, either wholly or in part, by a magical creature, either after it found you abandoned in the woods or because your parents often left you in the care of a magical minion. This constant exposure to magic has made its mysteries easy for you to understand, even when you turn your mind to other devotions and tasks. Pick a class when you gain this trait—your caster level in that class gains a +2 trait bonus as long as this bonus doesn’t raise your caster level above your current Hit Dice.

So an alchemist uses their level to determine caster level for effects based on it. Magical Knack increases that caster level by two. So your caster level would be equal to Alchemist Level+2 (if less than or equal to your character level). Mutagen refers specifically to alchemist level, but Magical Knack should still count for your extracts, I would think.

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Outside of PFS I most likely could just discuss this with my GM... but for a PFS PC I'm afraid that "Table Variation" will prevent me from using Magical Knack for Alchemists.

But thanks for the well thought out and written up case for using MK with an Alchemist.


Yeah I forgot to mention that Magical Knack —while being overpowered for a trait, and hence should be banned outright or modified, or made into a feat— is totally logical for an Alchemist to take, and anyone should allow it or attempt to convince a person to allow it for fairness sake.

As I said already, it's stupidly strong though. Even at half effectiveness +1 caster level is extremely good for just a trait.

This is an example of how follow RAW blindly is bad (in two ways).

(previous topic on the issue for the record http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qcer?Magical-Knack-Alchemist)

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