Plausible Pseudonym |
Are there rules for what happens when a target is subject to two compulsion spells and they conflict?
Examples:
A: Target is subject to two domination effects, and receives orders to attack two different targets. How do you determine which order he follows?
B: Target is subject to Hold Monster, then gets a Suggestion or Dominate order to attack someone. Is he ever freed from his paralysis?
C: Target is subject to Confusion, receives a Suggestion to attack a particular target, rolled some other action this round.
If there aren't any rules, I can see several possible tie breakers:
1. Last in time wins.
2. Higher spell level or CL wins.
3. Opposing Cha checks. But that's more for charms, and it's kind of extra dumb in example B above.
4. Some combination of the above for dueling identical effects (Hold, Dominate, Suggestion), but also a plausible but semi-arbitrary ranking between effects (e.g. Hold > Confusion > Dominate > Suggestion).
Any actual rules, or suggestions in their absence?
Snowblind |
Here
Multiple Mental Control Effects
Sometimes magical effects that establish mental control render each other irrelevant, such as spells that remove the subject’s ability to act. Mental controls that don’t remove the recipient’s ability to act usually do not interfere with each other. If a creature is under the mental control of two or more creatures, it tends to obey each to the best of its ability, and to the extent of the control each effect allows. If the controlled creature receives conflicting orders simultaneously, the competing controllers must make opposed Charisma checks to determine which one the creature obeys.
The above is a tad ambiguous in corner cases, so expect a little table variation.
My answers are as follows:
A. Unless explicitly permitted, orders are carried out immediately, as per Dominate, so the orders directly conflict. Make an opposed charisma check between the controllers to determine who wins.
B. Hold Monster removes ability to act, so Suggestion/Dominate doesn't do anything unless they can take solely mental actions.
C. Confusion removes ability to act (sometimes), same as B.
dragonhunterq |
Snowblind is right.
Hold person removes your ability to act so the first sentence applies, making the dominates and the confusion irrelevant.
Confusion removes your ability to make choices, sometimes making you unable to act or otherwise limiting your available actions, net result is the same thing and the dominates are left out in the cold.
If you can act freely under confusion then the dominates duke it out with opposed charisma checks.
MichaelCullen |
In a module where we were fighting a bunch of succubi an fellow party member let me dominate him and order him to "act according to your own free will". That way when he was dominated by the succubi, I got to make opposed charisma checks to keep him from attacking the party. It took a lot of trust between both PCs and players but it ended up working out well.