
Story Archer |

I'm building a Lamia Matriarch as a recurring villain (monstrous humanoid, shapechanger subtype) who is capable of changing into a fixed medium-sized humanoid form, and its entry (shown here) suggests that the effect is akin to Alter Self spell.
So, what happens when she changes to that humanoid form, assuming the form is that of a normal human? Obviously the size modifiers come into play and she loses her special modes of movement, but what else? Does she lose her Darkvision? Does she lose her +8 natural armor bonus to AC? How are her attributes affected - does she simply gain +2 to Dexterity the way a medium creature shifting to small does with an Alter Self spell, or is it determined by some table somewhere defining modifiers when a creature changes size (like Reduce Person does)?
The character will be spending the majority of her time in her human form and the first two times the PC's encounter her/battle her she will be in that form only so any help would be appreciated.

Fuzzy-Wuzzy |

I believe you want the polymorph rules.
[...]
If a polymorph spell causes you to change size, apply the size modifiers appropriately, changing your armor class, attack bonus, Combat Maneuver Bonus, and Stealth skill modifiers. Your ability scores are not modified by this change unless noted by the spell.
[...]
While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form.....
[etc]
The size modifiers table is at the end.

Avoron |
The change shape ability has an entry in the Universal Monster Rules.
A creature with this special quality has the ability to assume the appearance of a specific creature or type of creature (usually a humanoid), but retains most of its own physical qualities. A creature cannot change shape to a form more than one size category smaller or larger than its original form. This ability functions as a polymorph spell, the type of which is listed in the creature's description, but the creature does not adjust its ability scores (although it gains any other abilities of the creature it mimics). Unless otherwise stated, it can remain in an alternate form indefinitely. Some creatures, such as lycanthropes, can transform into unique forms with special modifiers and abilities. These creatures do adjust their ability scores, as noted in their description.
Format: change shape (wolf, beast form I); Location: SQ, and in special abilities for creatures with a unique listing.
Emphasis added. So, in answer to your questions:
Does she lose her Darkvision?
Yes, along with her low-light vision, her unusual movement speeds, her immunity to trip, and her undersized weapons quality (so she can use the same weapons in both forms).
Does she lose her +8 natural armor bonus to AC?
Debatable. Depends whether you think it's an "ability that depends upon her original form." Also debatable is whether she can keep her spell resistance, her immunity to mind-affecting, and her Wisdom drain.
How are her attributes affected
They are not.

Story Archer |

Thank you both for your responses - its between these two sets of rules that I'm getting confused.
I was leaning towards the Monster Rules, but the addition of the 'Alter Self' spell in the entry after Shapechange threw me off. So the Lamia Matriarch's ability functions as the Alter Self polymorph spell, except for the attribute changes listed therein and she does not change any attributes despite reducing size as shown on the Polymorph rules?

Kileanna |

If a polymorph spell causes you to change size, apply the size modifiers appropriately, changing your armor class, attack bonus, Combat Maneuver Bonus, and Stealth skill modifiers. Your ability scores are not modified by this change unless noted by the spell.
While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form.
You'd have a -4 to STR, +2 to DEX and -2 to CON, but you'd gain +2 to STR because of the Alter Self effect, so you'd have only a -2 penalty to STR.
EDIT: Ninja'ed. D'oh!

Avoron |
So the Lamia Matriarch's ability functions as the Alter Self polymorph spell, except for the attribute changes listed therein and she does not change any attributes despite reducing size as shown on the Polymorph rules?
Yes, along with the fact that she's limited to a single fixed medium humanoid form and she can maintain the form indefinitely.

Story Archer |

Story Archer wrote:Does she lose her +8 natural armor bonus to AC?Debatable. Depends whether you think it's an "ability that depends upon her original form." Also debatable is whether she can keep her spell resistance, her immunity to mind-affecting, and her Wisdom drain.
I would say that she loses the natural armor bonus, but retains the other abilities since they would not normally be defined by anything physical (like scales or a tail).
I know GM's discretion always rules... perhaps I should simply reduce it, by half, maybe?

Kileanna |

I didn't see in polymorph spells anything specific about keeping or losing the natural armor while polymorphed (I might not have looked enough, anyway) but IMHO it would count the same as a extraordinary or supernatural ability, so you'd lose it.
Often natural armor comes from thick skin, scales, a carapace, etc. You lose that when you polymorph.

Kileanna |

Avoron wrote:Story Archer wrote:Does she lose her +8 natural armor bonus to AC?Debatable. Depends whether you think it's an "ability that depends upon her original form." Also debatable is whether she can keep her spell resistance, her immunity to mind-affecting, and her Wisdom drain.I would say that she loses the natural armor bonus, but retains the other abilities since they would not normally be defined by anything physical (like scales or a tail).
I know GM's discretion always rules... perhaps I should simply reduce it, by half, maybe?
Wisdom drain is Su. The rules for polymorph spells state that she'd lose all Su.
SR and Mind-affecting immunities are untyped so she'd retain them.
She'd also retain all her Spell-like abilities.

Story Archer |

Story Archer wrote:Avoron wrote:Story Archer wrote:Does she lose her +8 natural armor bonus to AC?Debatable. Depends whether you think it's an "ability that depends upon her original form." Also debatable is whether she can keep her spell resistance, her immunity to mind-affecting, and her Wisdom drain.I would say that she loses the natural armor bonus, but retains the other abilities since they would not normally be defined by anything physical (like scales or a tail).
I know GM's discretion always rules... perhaps I should simply reduce it, by half, maybe?
Wisdom drain is Su. The rules for polymorph spells state that she'd lose all Su.
SR and Mind-affecting immunities are untyped so she'd retain them.
She'd also retain all her Spell-like abilities.
That helps too. Thanks.

Avoron |
Wisdom drain is Su. The rules for polymorph spells state that she'd lose all Su.
Not quite.
While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form.
It's perfectly possible that her Wisdom drain is a supernatural ability that doesn't depend on her physical form, that she just drains away people's sanity with mental or psychic power. This one's really a GM call.