
Oladon |
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Hi all. I've begun exploring some options for the WYSIWG* editor mentioned in my poll.
In order to build the best solution, I'd like to better understand your goals with this feature. At a high level, what do you want this feature to do for you?
- For example:
- "I don't want to worry about tags anymore."
- "I want to see a live preview as I compose."
- "I just want quick buttons to help input tags."

Treppa |

Yeah, buttons for Bold, Italic, Underline and Strikethrough would be nice, so we could highlight text, tap the button, and have the tags go in around the selected text. Being able to still enter them manually would be handy too - maybe something like WordPress which has a text entry and a preview tab?

Oladon |
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Will this be something we can use in mobile?
Hmm
Depends, but the short answer is 'probably'.
The longer answer is yes (on Android) if I get the extension working in Firefox for Android... and yes if I make a mobile app based on the extension, but no until then.
Appreciate all the feedback (and would welcome more). So far it sounds like people aren't too concerned with getting rid of the tags entirely, caring more about adding easy ways to tag text. Is that a good assessment?

Oladon |
^ I think so. One thing I liked about the Wayfinder app was that it was easy to tag text with whatever you needed as well as format your dice rolls, so I'd love to see those features added :)
Thanks, Lady Ladile!
How important is it to you to be able to preview your post without clicking "Preview"?

Treppa |

GM Hmm wrote:Will this be something we can use in mobile?
Hmm
Depends, but the short answer is 'probably'.
The longer answer is yes (on Android) if I get the extension working in Firefox for Android... and yes if I make a mobile app based on the extension, but no until then.
Appreciate all the feedback (and would welcome more). So far it sounds like people aren't too concerned with getting rid of the tags entirely, caring more about adding easy ways to tag text. Is that a good assessment?
Yeah, for me, I typo a lot. So highlighting a section of text and clicking a tag button would be really helpful.

Oladon |
Funny enough the tags are the biggest thing stopping me from starting PbP GMing right now. I have been looking for something with a WYSIWYG capacity for this for a bit now. It seems there is a shrotage of GM's and I would at least start doing PFS stuff if the formating were not so time consuming.
Thanks for weighing in! Could you elaborate on what you find time-consuming about the current method? Is it typing in the tags, previewing to be sure you have them right, or something else?

Twistlok |

Mostly it is typing the tags, then previewing and figureing out where I screwed up and did close a bracket on something. It is possible it is just me but right now I spend too much time formating the text.
I am fairly new to the forms and PbP but an old very long time gamer and the less noticable the interface the better. Right now it is like a 1990 word processing program.

AinvarG |

Yeah, it's like WordStar back in the day or hand-crafting HTML somewhat later. For what it's worth, I often generate both the start and the end tags first (or copy-paste them from wherever I have them handily stored) and then insert the important stuff in between.
That allows me to concentrate on getting the tags correct (only takes a moment), then forget about them as I type the stuff that goes between them.
Until Oladon's magic is available, that technique might help you in your quest for the perfect post.

John Mechalas |

Glad to see you tackling this. I never was able to find the time to integrate what I was doing with your extension.
For me it's about not having to deal with the tags. The forums have some quirks in how tags are interpreted (e.g., ooc tags can't span a double-newline, but a single newline is OK...why?) which is my biggest complaint. It makes writing with complex formatting very tedious.
Being able to edit the raw source is important, though.

Oladon |
The way I run pbp is that the heroes and the enemy act in separate groups and all together. That means for mobs I have to write so many tags in one go that it makes posting really time consuming and increases the probability of errors.
So for me a feature like this would be a godsend.
Sounds like you'd also appreciate the dice shortcuts feature that I've got in mind... :)
General Update
Just so you guys know, I haven't forgotten about you or abandoned the extension... work just has me swamped right now, and doesn't leave much time or motivation for other things. Don't worry, though... as long as I'm an active PbPer, the extension is going to be near the top of my priorities.

Swordwhale |
A few thoughts:
- A local buffer of kind would be awesome. Let me explain what I mean: the buffer will store all input BEFORE a preview/submit operation happens. That way one would not loose an hour-long GM-post by session timeout / server crash / other internet crap. I don't know exactly how to implement that though. Maybe a simple copy to clipboard before submitting kind of thing?
- Dice shortcuts would be awesome. I would love some kind of user-defined shortcut. Like typing \GoblinArcher and gets auto-replaced by {dice=Goblin Archer}d20+4{/dice} if the respective macro is defined.
- Tags are ... well o.k. Having buttons for inserting them ... Don't really know if that would speed things up for me, as I am a pretty fast with typing. A very basic thing would be a macro that immediately inserts the closing tag after you typed the opening tag. Guess that would be the most helpful thing for me.
- Live preview would be nice to immediately see dice results. But also not top prio for me.
- Also a general type of text macro buffer would be very cool. As a GM I use some type of header each round to keep track of enemies/friendlies and their respective status effects (hp, poisoned, stunned, whatever). While I use a cloud-based notebook app and manually copy&paste things around, a built in macro would be awesome as heck.
I am not a web developer, so I don't know what's possible for a mere add-on of a browser.
Anyway, I am interested to see what you will eventually come up with, Oladon!

John Mechalas |
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A few thoughts:
- A local buffer of kind would be awesome. Let me explain what I mean: the buffer will store all input BEFORE a preview/submit operation happens. That way one would not loose an hour-long GM-post by session timeout / server crash / other internet crap. I don't know exactly how to implement that though. Maybe a simple copy to clipboard before submitting kind of thing?- Tags are ... well o.k. Having buttons for inserting them ... Don't really know if that would speed things up for me, as I am a pretty fast with typing. A very basic thing would be a macro that immediately inserts the closing tag after you typed the opening tag. Guess that would be the most helpful thing for me.
I created this editor that understands the Paizo forum tags a few months ago. It's got some quirks, but it might give you enough of what you are looking for in the first item, and it implements the second. Being able to make complex entries without having to type all those tags, and work around the restrictions of how Paizo's tags work, is a relief. Making posts with complex formatting, especially in the PbP games where it tends to come up, is a chore.
Like I said, my little WYSIWYG editor has its own set of quirks, too, but they are less frustrating quirks. Generally. ;)