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Dragon78 wrote:

You could say the same thing about having stats for CR26-30 demon lords/arch devils that can kill a party of 20th level characters easily by themselves not including their vast armies and so high mental stats that you could never out smart them or get away.

Most published demigods aren't actually competitive with an optimized 20th level Int based full caster with 36+ in his main stat. Only Baphomet and the (evil) CR 30s are at that level. None are higher, unless you toss a headband on them from their treasure or give some Wish boosts.


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It might be a stretch, considering the recent additions in B6, but I'd like to see more Daemons, but based of death causes related to classes. For instance:
- Elemdaemon: Kineticist daemon, death by Burn and/or Elemental Overflow excess.
- Pugnudaemon: Monk/Brawler daemon, death by fist fight
- Haeresdaemon: Divine caster daemon, death by wrongful heresy
- Peregdaemon: Ranger/Hunter daemon, death by crusade or genocide
- Bestiadaemon: Druid/Shifter daemon, death by nature or animal hunt
- Duelludaemon: Cavalier/Samurai daemon, death by honorable combat... if that can even trigger a daemon creation :P
- Ordodaemon: Psychic daemon, death by psychic overuse
- Alchidaemon: Alchemist daemon, death by scientific expirement or arson

(made-up names, using the Latin word for whatever is related to a daemon's death)

Silver Crusade

Arthrítidadaemon: Daemon arising from people who die from decadent lifestyles, esp those who continue such practices when their people starve.


Other then the reprints of the oni from the Jade Regent AP. I would also like to see news ones based on cyclopes, troll, catfolk, goblin, grippli, merfolk, and dwarf.

Dark Archive

Do we have oni based on elves? or halflings/gnomes?


ulgulanoth wrote:
Do we have oni based on elves? or halflings/gnomes?

Elves would be good, but I would prefer they stick to races that are prevalent in Tian Xia, since that is where Oni really should be the most common and influential outsider group.


also, on an unrelated note, I would really like a monster based on the parasites from the recent movie Virus. The worm-infected in that movie were a pretty cool and novel take on the "Zombie" trope.


Well last I remember, halflings can be found where ever humans can be found. So you could have halfling based oni. Elves would be interesting but less likely. Gnomes would be weird but I wouldn't mind seeing an oni version.


I'd really like to see a Kappa Oni. Perhaps it could be the Garappa or the Suiko.

Dark Archive

Other interesting creatures to have oni for
Androids
Dark Folk
Derro
Samsarans
Troglodytes


I could also see oni versions of troglodytes, lizardfolk, ratfolk, bugbear, orc, and nagaji.

I can't see oni versions of androids or of the part human races like half-elves, aasimars, dhampirs, oreads, etc.

Samsarans' natural reincarnation would make an interesting rakshasa but I think they shouldn't have an oni version.

Darkfolk and derro would be strange choices for oni.

While a kappa oni would be interesting, kappa are monstrous humanoids, and oni are only based a humanoid type creature.


If an oni can infest an umbrella, they could infest a ruined android, or a plastic mannequin.


That is not an oni that infest an umbrella. Oni only take on the form of humanoid type creatures. While an android is of the humanoid type, I just don't seeing a oni using something that is just an artificial human.

Silver Crusade

More Oni
More Kytons
More Div
More desert creatures
More aberrations
More horror theme creatures
Less Fey

I also think it would be cool to present either more mythic creatures or a section on monsters that is similar to how they have done archdevils, the horsemen, and emperial lords. A sort of (if you want to do a mythic version here are quick and dirty rules on how to do it)


We're still missing a CR 20 Archon, aren't we? Or did that get filled in somewhere?

I can only guess that Abomination Dragons will be the next sept they go with since it's the only one of the mentioned septs that haven't been statted but contains five dragons, which they've gone on record as saying they want to limit each dragon entry to. Either that or they'll make up a new one entirely but I'm not entirely sure what else they'll come up with.


FormerFiend wrote:
We're still missing a CR 20 Archon, aren't we? Or did that get filled in somewhere?

No, we haven't gotten a CR 20 Archon with a 2-page bio.

Oddly enough, we had 2 Angels with 2 pages: The Solar (CR 23) and the Empyrean (CR 20).


We could use a CR20 Archon. Also are there any other outsider groups that do not have a CR20 type?


Are there any PF versions of the Red Widow anywhere?


Dragon78 wrote:
We could use a CR20 Archon. Also are there any other outsider groups that do not have a CR20 type?

Far as I can tell, demodands and archons are the only one with out a cr 20, but I might have missed one.

Dark Archive

it would be very interesting if there was a CR20 genie and a CR20 elemental as well


FormerFiend wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
We could use a CR20 Archon. Also are there any other outsider groups that do not have a CR20 type?
Far as I can tell, demodands and archons are the only one with out a cr 20, but I might have missed one.

Is there a CR20 protean? I can't seem to recall one.

Dark Archive

The Izfiitar. It's new in Bestiary 6.

Agreed that a CR 20 Archon would be a good addition.


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Squiggit wrote:
FormerFiend wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
We could use a CR20 Archon. Also are there any other outsider groups that do not have a CR20 type?
Far as I can tell, demodands and archons are the only one with out a cr 20, but I might have missed one.
Is there a CR20 protean? I can't seem to recall one.

As of Bestiary 6 there is the CR 20 Izfiitar. It's a beast. Melee: 7 attacks with an enhanced warpwave, two grab attacks. SLAs: quickened Confusion, quickened Telekinesis, quickened Disintegrate, Mage's Disjunction, Prismatic Sphere, Heal, Miracle (1/yr), etc.


If the Lashunta ever makes it into a hardcover, that they use the original version and NOT the Starfinder version.


I want to see a wide variety of Familiars, maybe two per alignment (one at 7th, one lower)- right now, each alignment doesn't necessarily have much of options that are strong. If you're X alignment, there's normally one or two that are just better than the rest for your purposes.


I would like to see fey that have powers of adaptation/evolution for themselves or others(animals, vermin, plants, and humanoids only). Basically fey that change life forms in an area(region, world, etc.) to let them adapt or to make them less likely to survive as a species or at least as an individual.


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Regarding the fey, alongside my most desired medium humanoid/elf-like fairy fey, I really want to see fairy-like child sized fey related to the seasons.


How about the Kikimora from Eastern European mythology?

Kikimora


DungeonmasterCal wrote:

How about the Kikimora from Eastern European mythology?

Kikimora

Bestiary 5.

Pretty sure it showed up in Reign of Winter first, though.


Darn. It's been awhile since I sifted through that one. Thanks for pointing it out!


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I would love some season based fey especially non-evil winter fey.


Transfigured Dragons: sometimes dragons (even young ones) can delve deeply into the outer planes and be transformed by it. Mixed alignment planes (like Heaven which has both law and good) don't produce these kinds of dragons, because inconsistencies in the 2 alignment components prevent the necessary focus.

I haven't figured out the names yet, but:

LN one looks like a clockwork dragon (but is just adaptive camouflage)and has a permanent aura that affects like the calm emotions spell instead of the fear aura.

CN one (I am leaning towards psychedelic dragon) has a permanent hypnotic pattern instead of a fear aura.

NE one (I am leaning towards charnel dragon) looks like a dracolich (again adaptive camouflage) and has a permanent disease aura instead of a fear aura.

NG (angel dragon?) has feathered wings and a permanent aura of awe instead of the fear aura. I haven't decided on what kind

N (balance dragon?) is basically Two-Face with one side looking like a red dragon and the other looking like a silver dragon. I haven't figured out a good aura for this one yet.

Of course B7 might be too soon for a second round of outer planes related dragons....


I remember now. The umbrella creature is a discarded umbrella that animated for whatever reason. An undead android or a spontaneously animated mannequin would be so cool.


I would like a template for dragons that worked like the mongrel giant template. Actually, I would like to see lots of dragon based templates, as we have only one... =/

It would be cool to have a dragon based template exclusive to humanoid and monstrous humanoid to turn them into unique half-dragons.

Dark Archive

Can I make NPC Codex 2 wish here?

No? Ok :(

Anyway, what I really want is just CR 21-30 creature that is small sized or smaller. Heck even 10-20 small or smaller creature would be nice, I want that not every single powerful creature has to be medium sized at minimum :D


CorvusMask wrote:

Can I make NPC Codex 2 wish here?

No? Ok :(

This topic has you covered ;)


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The Gold Sovereign wrote:

We already have got 3 Angel, 2 Azata and 1 Agathion Empyreal Lord, but no Archon Empyreal Lord. That's why I would like to see mainly archon Empyreal Lords in the next Bestiaries. The following are the ones I would favor:

Arqueros, The Golden Bulwark
Damerrich, The Weighted Swing
Falayna, Warrior's Ring
Olheon, The Just Arbiter
Smiad, The Pitiless Dragonslayer

The archons are the celestial race that is far more about fighting evil them any other. Maybe we might see some tougher and challenging Empyreal Lords among them.

If there are going to be more of the angel and azata empyreal lords, I'm voting for Ashava, Soralyon, Tolc and Valani. Eritrice is the only agathion empyreal lord I'm interested in.

I myself would have preferred to present one new empyreal lord of each race per bestiary, a total of four empyreal lords per book. But I'm sure paizo has its reasons to present only three of them, even if it's in a rather random way.

I totally second the stating out of smiad for bestiary 7, however I am a long time smiad fan so I'd be happy with simply knowing more about him and what the obedience is.


If there is a possibility of getting the missing daemons, the kenku, and the death knight, which I don't think are on the protected list, I would greatly appreciate that.

I am not sure of the status of monsters that only appeared in Dragon, but I would like to see many of them, especially the extra color wheel dragons (orange, purple, and yellow). Just for humor, seeing the iridium dragon started out and having a CR of ?? would be hilarious. Okay, maybe B7 is not the place for humorous entries...

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Kenku are WotC IP, that's why Pathfinder has Tengu.
Death Knights are WotC IP, that's why Pathfinder has Graveknights.


Any monster that premiered in Dragon is also sadly WotC property.


MMCJawa wrote:
Any monster that premiered in Dragon is also sadly WotC property.

The ankheg premiered in Dragon #5 and it was in Bestiary 1.


I would like to see regular and giant versions of the sea pig(scotoplanes).

I would like to see more prehistoric animals from the pre-dinosaur eras especially the strange aquatic animals. Examples would be the opabinia, hallucigenia, and jaekelopterus.


Dragon78 wrote:

I would like to see regular and giant versions of the sea pig(scotoplanes).

I would like to see more prehistoric animals from the pre-dinosaur eras especially the strange aquatic animals. Examples would be the opabinia, hallucigenia, and jaekelopterus.

No Anomolacharys?


Memakata wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Any monster that premiered in Dragon is also sadly WotC property.
The ankheg premiered in Dragon #5 and it was in Bestiary 1.

Sorry...let me be more specific. "Any thing which first showed up in Dragon, but which did not make it into the SRD, is exclusively WotC property.


Yeah anomolacharys would be nice as well;)


I want a Thylacoleo as one of the next set of Megafauna. And an Oviraptor at some point.

Silver Crusade

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More cryptids please


Mystic_Snowfang wrote:
More cryptids please

I think that's a given.

Scarab Sages

LOTS more Empyreal Lords, Infernal Dukes, and Demon Lords.


So, if you may recall, between the two bestiaries which featured demigods, B4 and B6, we had B5, which did not include any demigods but had a full 300 monsters. Do you guys think that we should alternate, one non-demigod bestiary in between each demigod-prevalent bestiary, or just include Demigods every time with a smaller roster overall?

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