what is worse than the worldwound?


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So, there is a hole in the cage of the god that will destroy everything if released. This hole is spilling forth an endless army of destructive creatures liable to destroy said cage, and the cr 20+ lawful and good outsiders of the multiverse are not going down there personally to fix it?

What else is out there that the biggest inevitables and most powerful archons arent doing a thing about the worldwound?


Well Inevitables have the ongoing chaotic concern that is the Maelstrom to distract themselves with. Archons on the other hand have the Maelstrom, Abyss, Abbadon and Hell to contend with. Not to mention making sure that Elysium does good in the proper fashion.

All that to say I think that the Material Plane is a tangential concern for these parties.


I haven't played Wrath of the Righteous, but I assume it addresses this to some degree. I do believe good outsiders are involved in the conflict, though perhaps not in nearly the numbers you might expect.

Part of this is that the gods have all tacitly agreed not to directly intervene in the material plane (that's why the gods themselves don't show up). They also want mortal to do things for themselves as much as possible, this is why there is an country (Mendev) which is basically dedicated to fighting the Worldwound.

Presumably, it's not a simple matter to release Rovagug so the outsiders aren't concerned about fighting each individual battle with the daemons that are coming out, only about stopping the ones who get close to freeing Rovagug. Part of the problem is that the daemons are almost literally endless in number, and there are much smaller numbers of good outsiders. The good outsiders can't risk being destroyed in fights that relatively inconsequential, but I assume they show up to help at times when they're really needed.


I thought the Worldwound was a portal to the demonic realms from which the demon lord Deskari is trying to invade from? I think you're confusing the Worlddwound with the Pit of Gormuz which is found in Casmaron. To the OP I would say (in my headcannon at least) the Worldwound threatens only Galorion whereas the most powerful outsiders would be with more cosmic plane spanning threats. In truth is likely more a case of if the outsiders dealt with everything then what's the point in adventurers?


You're right, I definitely confused the Pit of Gormuz thinking it was located in the Worldwound for some reason.

Dark Archive

I'd venture to guess that Deskari probably *wouldn't* destroy Rovagug's cage. If he (and Baphomet) got control of Golarion, they'd probably be trying rather hard to keep Rovagug stuck in the middle. Rovagug is a Qlippoth-deity, and Qlippoth tend to want demons to be extinct. The Worldwound is still a huge threat to Golarion, but it probably isn't going to cause a Rovagug-breakout.


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Don't worry about either Worldwound or the Pit of Gormuz swallowing the world, the imperium of man will declare exterminatus if it ever gets that far.

Grand Lodge

I think you'll find that they're busy fighting the same thing that's tying up the forces of evil from destroying everything. The authors carefully woven threads of the plot demands it, sprinkled with idiot balls and garnished with God's must be lazy.

Silver Crusade

Rovagug is a Qlippoth deity? Just out of curiosity where is this information? Thanks


Beyond The Doomsday Door. :-)


The "Before Sin" qlippoth article from Beyond the Doomsday Door is the official source (though it presents Rovagug being an ascended qlippoth as a theory).

I believe James Jacobs has since confirmed it, but not having any luck finding the post at this time.

Edit: Ninja'd by Captain Yesterday.


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Well, it's an infinite multiverse, and I don't think it's necessary for celestials to respond 1:1 to every demonic incursion everywhere. Especially since, broadly speaking, the surrounding nations have done a pretty phenomenal job of uniting against the threat. Besides, who knows what's happening on some other world? Somewhere in the multiverse a vast evil empire is getting whomped on by an angelic army and all the cultists are griping "Is there a reason the Dukes of Hell don't just handle this?"


If you play through Wrath of the Righteous...

Spoiler:

A lhaksharut (challenge rating 20 inevitable) attempted to personally close the Worldwound. He failed utterly, was captured, and now his powers are being used to keep the portal to the Abyss more stable than ever. Whoops.

Shadow Lodge

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Baellor Ironspark wrote:
Well, it's an infinite multiverse, and I don't think it's necessary for celestials to respond 1:1 to every demonic incursion everywhere.

"We secured Tianjing for these people just a few millennia ago! Can't they handle their own problems?"


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The World Papercut?


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
The World Papercut?

Sadistic...


Apathy is more deadly than the Worldwound. While angelic beings have come to mankinds defense in the Worldwound before, it is likely that they want mankind to motivate itself for their own defense. If the angels arrived and opened a can of whoop-ass every time a major evil reared its ugly head, then mortals would grow complacient and figure the angels will just handle whatever problem is thrown their way. This being said, there are also a few angelic empire on Golarion (Holomog and one of the Tian nations as I recall) where evil is already getting its ass kicked. Maybe they're shoring up their defenses in case mortals need a place to retreat to.


Perhaps there's a "Planewound" that the Gods haven't mentioned to mortals to keep them from freaking out.


Myself and others have actually asked James Jacobs about this. As I recall - it's been a while and I'm not digging through that thread -main reason he gives is that it's a mortal-solveable problem so the celestials only give supporting help.

As for why Inevitables and Aeons, who the more powerful of which are specifically dedicated to stopping things like the World Wound, don't do anything, his answer was more or less that they're simply outmatched by the demons. Which I think is half half-hearted excuse to justify the plot of player characters doing it, and part his own well established personal bias towards demons shining through.

Anyway, minor WotR spoilers; at least one high ranking inevitable and a few of the aeons who are dedicated to stopping planar breaches like the World Wound do show up late in the AP. They're not hugely plot relevant; the inevitable can be recruited as an ally(in the game I played he ended up becoming a planar servant of the LN cleric/divine source son of Asmodeus), and the aeons are just a combat encounter having been corrupted by the world wound itself.

Liberty's Edge

This just might be why most sensible outsiders stay well clear of the Worldwound.

Not only was it caused by the actual death of a greater god. It also has the power of corrupting them. Better to let mortal expendables deal with it.

Should the mortals prove unable to stop its growth, there will always be the option of a more direct intervention

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