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From the season 7 Guild Guide:
All basic armor, gear, items, and weapons from Chapter
6 of the Core Rulebook, including Small and Large-sized
items. This does not include equipment made from
dragonhide, but it does include equipment made from
the other special materials, such as alchemical silver
and cold iron (see the Special Materials section on
page 154 of the Core Rulebook).
So all the special materials from the Core Rulebook except dragon hide are always available. For dragon hide, you'll need some fame first.
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The exception to needing fame for having something made of dragonhide is if you lead a party of all level 1 pc's with d6 HD in order to slay an elder red dragon for the raw materials... alternatively you could make a bluff or diplomacy check to see if you can convince it to willingly part with it's own skin.
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The exception to needing fame for having something made of dragonhide is if you lead a party of all level 1 pc's with d6 HD in order to slay an elder red dragon for the raw materials... alternatively you could make a bluff or diplomacy check to see if you can convince it to willingly part with it's own skin.
Given how cheap it is I have to either conclude that its open season on dragons over 12 feet long or that you can use shed scales to make the armor
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I have always assumed the latter. Cannier dragons probably sell them to add more cash to their hoards.The exception to needing fame for having something made of dragonhide is if you lead a party of all level 1 pc's with d6 HD in order to slay an elder red dragon for the raw materials... alternatively you could make a bluff or diplomacy check to see if you can convince it to willingly part with it's own skin.Given how cheap it is I have to either conclude that its open season on dragons over 12 feet long or that you can use shed scales to make the armor
More than likely they just sell the very powerful arms and armor they got from the much more squishy "heroes" who came to slay the evil dragon and "claim" their treasure hoards in the name of good. Still it's nice to see that someone can make a profit from recycling and pest control at the same time.
Yes. Mithral is always available.
It's not quite "always available". Whether you can buy the item you want to buy is dependent on your Fame. It's a valid item for purchase within the limits of your fame.
From v7.0 of the Guide (Page 24 - Always Available Items) (emphasis mine)
'All basic armor, gear, items, and weapons from Chapter 6 of the Core Rulebook, including Small and Large-sized items. This does not include equipment made from dragonhide, but it does include equipment made from
the other special materials, such as alchemical silver and cold iron (see the Special Materials section on page 154 of the Core Rulebook).Basic Mithril Items, like the Mithril chain s%+$ the OP asked about, are always available, regardless of your Fame score. Now, having the gold to purchase may be more problematic.
Magical items made from the material however, ARE dependent on fame, such as getting that armor enchanted beyond +1.
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So here is another question. How much fame is required to purchase Darkleaf Leather +1?
+1 is always available, but Darkleaf Cloth is not. So does that mean the PC has to have 9 fame (1,500 gp limit) to be able to afford just the cost of the darkleaf leather armor and the +1 doesn't matter, or do they have to have 13 fame (3,000 gp limit) in order to afford the total cost of the armor (1,760 gp)?
You need the Fame to cover the total cost of the item, for any item that' not always avaialbe.
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That's how I would run with it also.
My mistake was when reading that paragraph in the rules, somehow I misinterpreted it as "anything that is PFS legal other than dragonhide is always available" which is clearly not what it says.
So I have a bunch of PCs that purchased darkleaf cloth armor when the did not have to fame to do so.
About half of them now have enough fame, so I assume the easiest thing to do would be to say "oops" and just keep playing the character as is.
But the other half still don't have enough fame for the armor. So what would be the easiest remedy? Just "cancel" the purchase and take back the gold? Should I note that on a chronicle?
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crud - I'm going to have to go thru my lower level crew and check this also...That's how I would run with it also.
My mistake was when reading that paragraph in the rules, somehow I misinterpreted it as "anything that is PFS legal other than dragonhide is always available" which is clearly not what it says.
So I have a bunch of PCs that purchased darkleaf cloth armor when the did not have to fame to do so.
About half of them now have enough fame, so I assume the easiest thing to do would be to say "oops" and just keep playing the character as is.
But the other half still don't have enough fame for the armor. So what would be the easiest remedy? Just "cancel" the purchase and take back the gold? Should I note that on a chronicle?
Unless I really need the Dex bonus, darkleaf leather lamellar is pretty much my go to light armor. Cheaper than a mithril chain shirt and almost as good (+5 max dex instead of +6).
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All mundane (completely nonmagical) weapons, armor, equipment, and
alchemical gear found in any other source that is legal
for play are considered always available.<----
As darkleaf whatever is mundane, its available. I hope you see this before you had to redo your paperwork.
Pretty sure Darkleaf is extraordinary materials, not mundane.
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Pretty sure Darkleaf is extraordinary materials, not mundane.
The word mundane is defined in the text itself as completely non magical, which darkleaf is.
So yes, the way everyone was running it as "you can buy nonmagical stuff without a fame score" is the correct way. While you can get the other reading from the specific exclusion in the previous sentences, the quote listed above says its not the case.
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Pretty sure Darkleaf is extraordinary materials, not mundane.The word mundane is defined in the text itself as completely non magical, which darkleaf is.
So yes, the way everyone was running it as "you can buy nonmagical stuff without a fame score" is the correct way. While you can get the other reading from the specific exclusion in the previous sentences, the quote listed above says its not the case.
Is dragonhide magical?
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Is dragonhide magical?Pretty sure Darkleaf is extraordinary materials, not mundane.The word mundane is defined in the text itself as completely non magical, which darkleaf is.
So yes, the way everyone was running it as "you can buy nonmagical stuff without a fame score" is the correct way. While you can get the other reading from the specific exclusion in the previous sentences, the quote listed above says its not the case.
No, but Dragonhide is specifically called out as not being always available and, therefore, requiring fame.
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Is dragonhide magical?Pretty sure Darkleaf is extraordinary materials, not mundane.The word mundane is defined in the text itself as completely non magical, which darkleaf is.
So yes, the way everyone was running it as "you can buy nonmagical stuff without a fame score" is the correct way. While you can get the other reading from the specific exclusion in the previous sentences, the quote listed above says its not the case.
Depends who you ask. Try asking a dragon.
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No, but Dragonhide is specifically called out as not being always available and, therefore, requiring fame.Or by using PP to bypass the fame requirements. Dragonhide Breastplate is 700gp and is therefore eligible for a 2pp purchase.
is there anything a person could add to this to push the "cost" up to 750? say silver etching? or ermine or mink lining? or... something? maybe just a "designer label" or a little alligator logo etched on it? Seems a waste to not "use up" the last of the 750gp value on a 2 PP purchase...
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is there anything a person could add to this to push the "cost" up to 750? say silver etching? or ermine or mink lining? or... something? maybe just a "designer label" or a little alligator logo etched on it? Seems a waste to not "use up" the last of the 750gp value on a 2 PP purchase...No, but Dragonhide is specifically called out as not being always available and, therefore, requiring fame.Or by using PP to bypass the fame requirements. Dragonhide Breastplate is 700gp and is therefore eligible for a 2pp purchase.
Make it spiked dragonhide armor? (armor spikes add 50 to the price of an armor)
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is there anything a person could add to this to push the "cost" up to 750? say silver etching? or ermine or mink lining? or... something? maybe just a "designer label" or a little alligator logo etched on it? Seems a waste to not "use up" the last of the 750gp value on a 2 PP purchase...No, but Dragonhide is specifically called out as not being always available and, therefore, requiring fame.Or by using PP to bypass the fame requirements. Dragonhide Breastplate is 700gp and is therefore eligible for a 2pp purchase.
Could soak it in holy water, or something.
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Make it spiked dragonhide armor? (armor spikes add 50 to the price of an armor)is there anything a person could add to this to push the "cost" up to 750? say silver etching? or ermine or mink lining? or... something? maybe just a "designer label" or a little alligator logo etched on it? Seems a waste to not "use up" the last of the 750gp value on a 2 PP purchase...No, but Dragonhide is specifically called out as not being always available and, therefore, requiring fame.Or by using PP to bypass the fame requirements. Dragonhide Breastplate is 700gp and is therefore eligible for a 2pp purchase.
AH-HA! perfect! putting this on my "get" list! (now to just figure out how it works)