Yeah it feels a lot like they got rid of origonal Hawkeye and replaced him with Ultimate/movieverse Hawkeye.MCU Hawkeye suffered from MCU Tony Stark being a quippy guy (little or nothing like comic-book Stark had been at the time, around the first Civil War and being more of a jerk), and so when Hawkeye appeared in the MCU, he had to be something else, and that 'something else' appears to be 'boring as hell.' And now, just as comic-book Tony is turning quippier and more 'Robert Downey, Jr.-ish,' comic-book Hawkeye seems doomed to become as lifeless and uninteresting as the Jeremey Renner-version of the character.
Honestly, I don't blame MCU all that much. The comics have been going darker and making changes long before that. Ultimate Hawkeye has been around since 2002 and ever since that world became popular... it's been bleeding over into 616.
Frankly I dont' think we've seen happy quippy Hawkeye much since he died in Avengers Disassembled.. and when he was brought back he was FURIOUS with Wanda... and while it's VERY blurry, I thought he went off to kill her... but I can't swear to that. Something about her having forgotten all her past made him forgive her or something... I don't know, it was more Bendis writing...
Set,
My major gripe with the way Drax has been handled is mostly that he's less intelligent than before. I mean yeah he always wanted to kill Thanos, but he did it with intelligence.
This version...less so.
Ehhh... In my mind Drax is still the gigantic hulk shaped beast who was an absolute Moron from Infinity Watch. I know they changed him to be the leaner tattooed knife guy in the comics... but I considered THAT to be an unrecognizable reimagine from 'classic Drax'...
Movie version almost seems to merge the two somewhat... and he makes me laugh a lot. So I'm cool with him ;)
Movie Drax was supposed to be literal minded but really dipped into moron by calling Gamora a whore.
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Movie Drax to me is what you get when you need some extra muscle in your comic relief.
Comics in Marvel haven't always been cheerful (anyone remember the Death of Gwen Stacy?), but I do think Hawkeye's...cheerfulness died the same time he died.
He never specifically went after Wanda that I recall. But I'm sure he called her out on it.
SPEAKING of calling it out, it seems like the 20+ years of friendship Carol Danvers had with Jessica Drew just died. Mostly because apparently Drew liked Banner and of course dated Hawkeye. But still, it's on Carol.
Even though Captain America - Steve Rogers suggests STEVE was the one that instigated that premonition of Ulysses.
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Movie Drax was supposed to be literal minded but really dipped into moron by calling Gamora a whore.
That's on the writers. They just explained to us that he's literally incapable of that sort of thing, calling someone something other than what they are, and then he calls her a hooker. Assassin? Killer? Murderess? Fine. She's been all of those things. But Drax can't call her a whore unless he *literally* thinks she sleeps with people for money, which they just flat out explained to us like, a half hour before. Bad writer! Misogynistic, and also, wrong.
I do miss me some lean smart flying cosmic zapper Drax (instead of Hulk jr. with knives), and wish we could have gotten Moondragon in GotG2, perhaps as yet another 'daughter' of Thanos, taken from her family as a child and raised to be one of his minions. That could have been cool, and made the new female character appropriately super-powered (and not just another martial artist), and Drax's talking about his dead wife and daughter suddenly relevant.
But, whatever will be, will be. Given their track record, I'm sure GotG2 will be pretty awesome.
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I liked the Nova Corps and how they used their ships to slow down Ronan's megaship with that net.
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Ehhh... In my mind Drax is still the gigantic hulk shaped beast who was an absolute Moron from Infinity Watch. I know they changed him to be the leaner tattooed knife guy in the comics... but I considered THAT to be an unrecognizable reimagine from 'classic Drax'...Movie version almost seems to merge the two somewhat... and he makes me laugh a lot. So I'm cool with him ;)
Before that, Drax was the father of Moondragon who watched the rest of his family being killed by Thanos before being killed himself, and then reanimated by Thanos' father Mentor to do the job Mentor himself wasn't willing to do. In the comics Drax has been killed numerous times, each time waking up with sutble or not so subtle differences. But originally, he WAS quite intelligent.
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Drah is correct, until Drax had like three or four reanimations, he was pretty darn smart.
Also Moondragon I figure will come out in GotG 3. Just in time for them to fight Adam Warlock. ;)
Seriously today's premises for both Caps had me scratching my head.
At least the Ultimates TRIED something different than before.
Drah is correct, until Drax had like three or four reanimations, he was pretty darn smart.
Also Moondragon I figure will come out in GotG 3. Just in time for them to fight Adam Warlock. ;)
Seriously today's premises for both Caps had me scratching my head.
At least the Ultimates TRIED something different than before.
you mean the issue of Sam Wilson that just came out?
Sam AND Steve, Free.
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I'm LOVING Sam Wilson- excellent characterizations and portrayals, although I'm not buying the way his fight with Usagent- another character i have always loved- ended. Never really followed Steve, but I'm not joining the angry mob on that one.
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I read both because I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
But you're right that Sam is the better Cap atm.
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I wouldn't go that far, but you are entitled to your opinion.
I said ATM. Not like all time Free.
It is and it isn't Grey.
I mean look at poor USAgent. Bucky is no go too. The others are either dead or MIA.
The only REAL hope is Danielle Cage from A future in US Avengers.
It is and it isn't Grey.
I mean look at poor USAgent. Bucky is no go too. The others are either dead or MIA.
The only REAL hope is Danielle Cage from A future in US Avengers.
Poor USAgent?
He's acting in character and true to form.
Free,
No actually he's not if you look at what happened to him before the Incursions. He got mind controlled by that weird biologist that was trying to be all Scarlet Witch; Before that tossed into an alternate world/future, got his limbs replaced by symobite grafts, Then there was him running the Raft before AND the fact he lost his limbs to Nuke using Odin's Spear.
Admittedly he's not always the most sympathetic character, but I appreciate John Walker's...honesty in the face of relentless challenges to American ideals.
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Free,
No actually he's not if you look at what happened to him before the Incursions. He got mind controlled by that weird biologist that was trying to be all Scarlet Witch; Before that tossed into an alternate world/future, got his limbs replaced by symobite grafts, Then there was him running the Raft before AND the fact he lost his limbs to Nuke using Odin's Spear.
Admittedly he's not always the most sympathetic character, but I appreciate John Walker's...honesty in the face of relentless challenges to American ideals.
just another day in the life of a
Comic book character.Loved him running the raft.
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Admittedly he's not always the most sympathetic character, but I appreciate John Walker's...honesty in the face of relentless challenges to American ideals.
I like that he's a conservative hero, and not usually written as much as a joke as someone like Guy Gardner. I'm don't lean much in that direction, but I'm as interested in seeing a conservative super-hero, or an openly religious super-hero, or just a few more superheroes south of the Mason-Dixon line (or south of New York City, for that matter!), as I am in seeing super-heroes of various minorities.
A pro-government authority hero, who isn't something like the mercenary villains who populate teams like Freedom Force or some of the Initative teams, might also be a bit of a shocker, since so many 'government-sponsored' teams seem to either start out as super-villains, or end up as government-sponsored authoritarian stormtroopers (like DC's Force of July or Lex Luthor's rebranded Infinity, Inc.). Some positive, heroic even, representation of individuals who work for 'the man,' whether that 'man' be law enforcement or even a national military, would be an interesting thing to see in a world that seems to thrive on alternately depending on authority and crying for them to do more to protect us, and hold them in contempt and disrespect them.
John Walker's interesting to me, in that I don't necessarily agree with him, and yet, *he's not a bad-guy.* He's not even 'morally grey' or 'complicated' like ex-villains Emma Frost or Magneto, who aren't explicitly super-villains any longer, but are still holding some pretty racist / supremacist views.
It seems to me that it may be as relevant to have conservative and / or Christian and / or southern or western characters like him as it is to have heroic women, or black/Asian/latino/gay/etc. heroes. There's a whole demographic that's been traditionally underserved there, from a marketing perspective.
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Admittedly he's not always the most sympathetic character, but I appreciate John Walker's...honesty in the face of relentless challenges to American ideals.I like that he's a conservative hero, and not usually written as much as a joke as someone like Guy Gardner. I'm don't lean much in that direction, but I'm as interested in seeing a conservative super-hero, or an openly religious super-hero, or just a few more superheroes south of the Mason-Dixon line (or south of New York City, for that matter!), as I am in seeing super-heroes of various minorities.
A pro-government authority hero, who isn't something like the mercenary villains who populate teams like Freedom Force or some of the Initative teams, might also be a bit of a shocker, since so many 'government-sponsored' teams seem to either start out as super-villains, or end up as government-sponsored authoritarian stormtroopers (like DC's Force of July or Lex Luthor's rebranded Infinity, Inc.). Some positive, heroic even, representation of individuals who work for 'the man,' whether that 'man' be law enforcement or even a national military, would be an interesting thing to see in a world that seems to thrive on alternately depending on authority and crying for them to do more to protect us, and hold them in contempt and disrespect them.
John Walker's interesting to me, in that I don't necessarily agree with him, and yet, *he's not a bad-guy.* He's not even 'morally grey' or 'complicated' like ex-villains Emma Frost or Magneto, who aren't explicitly super-villains any longer, but are still holding some pretty racist / supremacist views.
It seems to me that it may be as relevant to have conservative and / or Christian and / or southern or western characters like him as it is to have heroic women, or black/Asian/latino/gay/etc. heroes. There's a whole demographic that's been traditionally underserved there, from a marketing perspective.
Well said. Well said.
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Exactly, Set. That's why I like him. He's not your standard Marvel guy, but he's still a principled guy nonetheless. Which is why it's kind of sad he's getting played. But that's how it goes when you make Hydra-Cap. :p
Exactly, Set. That's why I like him. He's not your standard Marvel guy, but he's still a principled guy nonetheless. Which is why it's kind of sad he's getting played. But that's how it goes when you make Hydra-Cap. :p
you've really got to get over that.
Freehold,
I'll get over it the same day people stop complaining about the Star Wars Prequels. :p
Freehold,
I'll get over it the same day people stop complaining about the Star Wars Prequels. :p
is a short storyline that will be over soon.
Meanwhile, whedonites will be singing the praises of the various wastes of space TV shows for ages.
Set, depends. I might get over it before that.
Callous,
I think hell will be frozen over by time good and tight.
Free,
Some how I knew you might say that...
RPG Superstar 2009 Top 32, 2010 Top 8
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Well looks like Marvel hates happy couples...
"We need dead mutants to kick off this event, like a whole field full of them!"
"We don't want to make that many mutants..."
"What about Maddrox? We can kill him over and over again?"
"Isn't he happily settled in Connecicut after X-factor?"
"Who cares? We'll even put a panel in that says it's really the real Maddrox and not just a field of dupes."
*sigh* Marvel is really turning me off.
Well looks like Marvel hates happy couples...
"We need dead mutants to kick off this event, like a whole field full of them!"
"We don't want to make that many mutants..."
"What about Maddrox? We can kill him over and over again?"
"Isn't he happily settled in Connecicut after X-factor?"
"Who cares? We'll even put a panel in that says it's really the real Maddrox and not just a field of dupes."
*sigh* Marvel is really turning me off.
Didn't they do the same thing years ago with the legacy virus or something?
Unless they say this is the Really REALLY REALLY Real one, I wouldn't believe it.
Which I think says something about the cynicism I have for comics now. Back in the day when they outright killed a hero... it was actually an event worth noticing. There were major shakeups. Jason Todd, Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Ollie Queen... these were characters that were dead for YEARS. It took editorial changes before they even considered bringing them back...
Now?? Heroes die ALL the time and we KNOW they will be back almost immediately. heck, Bucky and Wasp died and had come back before I heard they were dead!! Add in the stretched out stories... and if they're back in a year or two.... it may have only missed on a single story arc or two...
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"What about Maddrox? We can kill him over and over again?"
"Isn't he happily settled in Connecicut after X-factor?"
"Who cares? We'll even put a panel in that says it's really the real Maddrox and not just a field of dupes."
*sigh* Marvel is really turning me off.
Didn't they do the same thing years ago with the legacy virus or something?
Unless they say this is the Really REALLY REALLY Real one, I wouldn't believe it.
Madrox is probably my favorite male character from Marvel, so I'm not thrilled with him being ganked for this event. But yeah, he's a perennial target for this sort of thing, since he's a one-man field of corpses. Still, he's got long-term dupes (like Reverent Maddicks, who has a family and congregation) who don't wear that outfit any longer, so the story is already fibbing by saying that's *all* of his dupes lying dead there. (There's literally no reason that some of them would up and leave their lives to come to Muir island, anyway. Given that he's also a married parent, living on a farm with his family, there's no reason that the prime Madrox would go to Muir island, for that matter. He's out of the game entirely, and, between Darwin, Strong Guy and Siryn, has like *three* death-god types on speed-dial, so that if he did die, he'd probably pop back up like a weeble.)
Just as everyone whose name you'd remember who was killed by Legacy, like Ilyanna and Colossus and yes, Madrox, are back again, I imagine that anyone killed by Terrigenesis (which only recently became deadly to mutants, and used to be fatal to *humans*) will be back in a decade or so anyway.
Madrox has been killed NUMEROUS times over the years.
Don't worry. He'll be back.
The only thing Death of X proves is that the Inhumans and the X-men apparently need to fight each other. Plus Scott Summers is a real dick.
Of course, you remember those because they stand out as having been dead for years. The revolving door of superhero death has been a joke for pretty much as long as there've been comics.
Didn't they do the same thing years ago with the legacy virus or something?Unless they say this is the Really REALLY REALLY Real one, I wouldn't believe it.
Which I think says something about the cynicism I have for comics now. Back in the day when they outright killed a hero... it was actually an event worth noticing. There were major shakeups. Jason Todd, Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Ollie Queen... these were characters that were dead for YEARS. It took editorial changes before they even considered bringing them back...
Now?? Heroes die ALL the time and we KNOW they will be back almost immediately. heck, Bucky and Wasp died and had come back before I heard they were dead!! Add in the stretched out stories... and if they're back in a year or two.... it may have only missed on a single story arc or two...
To a point. Sure nearly every cover would THREATEN the main character's life, but they didn't actually die. Supporting cast was a bit more squishable... But main characters that were highlighting their own books? If the cover said Spider-man.... Spider-man wasn't going to die. Or Captain America, or Thor, or Hulk... Fantastic Four would occasionally kill of one of them... and team books were a bit more expendable like X-men or Avengers... but those solo books were pretty safe regardless of what they said on the covers.
All I know is Death of X has a much lower hurdle to climb in some respects than CW II has tried and failed to do.
Is wolverine still dead?
Is wolverine still dead?
Kind of...not
Old version of him from the Old Man Logan version appears to have been time travelled back in time to the present.
regular Wolvie still dead, X-23 wearing his outfit.
Is wolverine still dead?Kind of...not
Old version of him from the Old Man Logan version appears to have been time travelled back in time to the present.
regular Wolvie still dead, X-23 wearing his outfit.
Yeah, how does that work. Shouldn't there be no Old Man Logan if wolvie remains dead?
Grey,
Alternate Realities apparently still work. Same way we're getting Peter and MJ having a kid and being a family.
X-man and Cable?
I swear if they make movie Cap a "hydra agent" it'll ruffle my jammies. Do we know by now if Cap is being mind-controlled by Red Skull? I thought in a previous issue it was discovered Red Skull stole Professor X's powers?
I swear if they make movie Cap a "hydra agent" it'll ruffle my jammies. Do we know by now if Cap is being mind-controlled by Red Skull? I thought in a previous issue it was discovered Red Skull stole Professor X's powers?
Skull used a Cosmic level being/child to rewrite Cap's history.
Apparently the Skull has decided that winning by mind control is somehow unsatisfying and that it never works for very long.
Berselius,
Pretty much what Grey said except that it was done using a sentient Cosmic Cube that had been formed out of parts of existing ones apparently. Parts that at one point, had been in control of Red Skull. So he manipulated that Cube (since it was of the mind of a 6 year old girl) to re-write not just their memories, but their very histories.
Sissyl,
Something like that yes.
It is and it isn't Grey.
I mean look at poor USAgent. Bucky is no go too. The others are either dead or MIA.
The only REAL hope is Danielle Cage from A future in US Avengers.
They could always borrow the Samantha Wilson Captain America from Earth-65 (Spider-Gwen).
{remembers the majority of writers working for Marvel}
Umm, nevermind. Leave her where she is and being written by Latour & Rodriguez.
Yeah I think we'll deal with just Spider Gwen for Earth-65. Let's just see if Danielle Cage can outshine both her Dad and her Mom. :)
Yeah I think we'll deal with just Spider Gwen for Earth-65. Let's just see if Danielle Cage can outshine both her Dad and her Mom. :)
I prefer American Dream, but whatever.
American Dream might not be around since there's not been much of a sighting of MC2 Universe beyond May Parker in Spider-verse.