To multiclass a bard with fighter? And help with build

[SCKnightHero1]

Well what if I'm not concerned with multiclassing full casters then how would I make a bard/cleric work? And why would it stink?

Has anyone ever tried to play a bard/cleric!?

[Diminuendo]

If you want to mix Bard with Cleric, as I keep saying; Evangelist Cleric(not to be confused with the prestiege class of the same name) is the best option; all your class features scale with level - you couldn't ask for anything better for a Bard/Cleric build.

Bards don't generally make good multiclassers (there are few exceptions). Every class feature the Bard has, with the exception of Well-Versed, scales with level. Every level you don't take as Bard hurts your progression.

The Evangelist is as good of a compromise you are going to get.

The only alternative I can think of for a Cleric/Bard is Variant MultiClassing Bard with Warpriest; any other Divine Caster would be feat-starved. An Evangelist Cleric does better as both a Bard and a Cleric than this solution.

[SCKnightHero1]

I see.

Wait...what exceptions are you referring to?

Also I think I like this path most of all. Not to mention Chelish diva let's me cast bard spells while wearing medium armor at level 5. So there you go bard 5/cleric (evangelist archetype) 11!

[Atarlost]

SCKnightHero1 wrote:

I see.

Wait...what exceptions are you referring to?

Also I think I like this path most of all. Not to mention Chelish diva let's me cast bard spells while wearing medium armor at level 5. So there you go bard 5/cleric (evangelist archetype) 11!

It's no good. You'll be level 16 but you'll cast as an 11th level cleric. You'll have 1 more 6th level spell than a 16th level bard. Your bard casting will be hopelessly stunted at 2nd level. Your skills will wrecked because you'll be down to 2+int per level and most skills have to be increased every level to remain relevant. Your performance will not stack so the bard performance is irrelevant. See [url]http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9o80[/url]

So you're a cleric 5 level behind at everything but BAB, feats, and saves and you're a level behind on BAB as well because PFS doesn't use fractional BAB. Your bard levels may as well be expert levels.

But wait, there's more. You need wisdom to cast cleric spells. You only have 10 wisdom. You can't cast anything except orisons without a headband. You don't even get the slots to use on lower level spells. You have 17 charisma. If you add as much to your charisma between level ups and items as you would have to add to your wisdom to cast 6th level spells you will get a bonus 6th level bard spell, giving you as many 6th level spells as a 16th level bard as you would have as a 5th level bard 11th level cleric. You'll also have the same number of 5th level spells and more spells from 4th level down.

Switching to cleric doesn't get you any more casting than you'd get staying a bard.

You also need to play through all those levels. You get starting a performance down to a move action at level 13 instead of level 8. You never get it down to a swift, but you would do so at level 13 if you stayed a bard. Those are huge improvements to your action economy that you're missing. You boost inspire courage to +3 5 levels later, and your own BAB is 1 lower than it should be due to the way BAB works and your combat stats are lousy. You may as well wield a glaive with a -4 nonproficiency penalty because you're not going to wield it with any competence. Your allies would like +1 attack and damage starting at level 11 instead of level 16, though.

Your least bad cleric option would be to go bard 1 cleric 15, except that you have only 10 wisdom and can't cast even first level cleric spells. No matter how low your party's standards for competence that is a complete deal breaker. You cannot be a cleric. You can be a pathetic seminary dropout, but you can't be a cleric with that wisdom. If you can't do a full rebuild your only option is to continue as you started: a bard.

[The Shaman]

Ugh, I would really, really rather not go full cleric after 5 levels of another class - you are not even going to become a better caster than a pure bard, never mind delaying pretty much all your abilities. Honestly, you are better off prestiging at this point.

[Diminuendo]

SCKnightHero1 wrote:

Wait...what exceptions are you referring to?

stop grasping at straws, it doesn't work.

[Helikon]

Let´s put it mildly!
Your job is NOT to stay in the front, so you do not need big armor.
If you need armor, you have friends who can jump in front of you. If they haven´t understood it by now... make it clear to them.
YOU are their ace! You heal, you have the knowledges and you Inspire Competence everyone. And then you let them shredder everything in their path. If worst come to worst, you grab a whip and use aid. Also Intimidate people. Works wonders one enemy melees.Remember... you are a diva... you do not spoil your perfect nail polish with melee or ranged fighting.

[SCKnightHero1]

Well I could shift my stats and get a 12 in wisdom. That'll help at least.

Plus bards don't get heal.

Also my bard is a savage skald, songhealer, and Chelish diva!

[Imbicatus]

SCKnightHero1 wrote:

Plus bards don't get heal.

Neither do clerics with a 12 wisdom.

[SCKnightHero1]

Dang it!

This is just killing my love of this game!

So basically my character sucks and I should just drop out of pathfinder is what everyone is saying huh?

[Imbicatus]

If you absolutely must multiclass to a divine caster, go oracle. At least they are CHA based and will be able to cast higher level spells. You will be horribly sub-optimal because of the five wasted levels on bard, but it will be better than trying to shoehorn cleric on.

[SCKnightHero1]

Hm...I never thought about oracle. Don't care much for the curses. But this does give me ideas though.

And thank you!

this helps actually! I'll ask my fellow party members and see what they say.

Also what about the bard archetypes I choose?

[Diminuendo]

SCKnightHero1 wrote:

Dang it!

This is just killing my love of this game!

So basically my character sucks and I should just drop out of pathfinder is what everyone is saying huh?

Grow up. You asked for advice about making a effective build, and refused to take any of it.

Pathfinder tries to insentivise player to stay the same class from level 1-20. Multicassing will bring your existing average strength Bard will bring them down to a below average strength PC.

We ar'nt saying "your character sucks and you should just drop out of pathfinder;" we are saying that multiclassing a character with no Wisdom modifier into Cleric is a bad idea. We are saying it is hard for Bards to be effective when multiclassing. You keep trying to multicass Bard with Cleric.

Everyone who has posted on this thread has tried to help you. We have taken time out of our day to walk you through an effective build, and you have multiple options. Don't insult us with this wounded act.

[SCKnightHero1]

Sorry. Rough week at work.

But I appreciate the help everyone. I really do.

I'll figure out something to do.

[Helikon]

Actually bards do get heal. It´s called scroll. And as a bard you can umd rather easely.

[Guru-Meditation]

SCKnightHero1 wrote:

Plus bards don't get heal.

But they get UMD!

Heal scroll + UMD = You have it. For a price. Ask your groupmates to chip in for the Heal scrolls you buy.

Andif you hit it big in the midlevels: Staff of Healing. UMD it for the Heal-Spell, so you dont have to buy Heal scrolls again and again. Let your groups fullcaster reload it for you.

[Guru-Meditation]

Also look into Variant Multiclassing.

It opens a possibility to get other classes fluff and some abilities into an otherwise pure character.