Applying Defiant +2 Enhancement Bonus to Offense using Shield Master


Rules Questions


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber

I saw this mentioned in a thread and thought that it was a stretch.

Shield Master:

"Add your shield's enhancement bonus to attacks and damage rolls made with the shield as if it was a weapon enhancement bonus."

Defiant:

"Against the designated foe, the item's enhancement bonus to AC is +2 better than its actual bonus"

The premise was that since Defiant applied a +2 enhancement bonus to defense that this +2 could also be applied to offense against the designated type of foe.

Any thoughts on if this should really work?

It appears that it will and that it is an easy way to get a lesser Bane effect for cheap that can be applied to both defense and attack. Of course you do not get the extra damage dice, but it may be worth it in a game with a specific creature type, ie giants in Giantslayer, or undead in Carrion Crown, etc.

Silver Crusade Contributor

I'd allow it.


But is +2 vs one type of foe better than +1, all the time? The Defiant ability doesn't even combo with Magic Vestment.


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Casual Viking wrote:
But is +2 vs one type of foe better than +1, all the time? The Defiant ability doesn't even combo with Magic Vestment.

Probably not, but in an adventure path like Giantslayer, then I think it would be well worth it.


...it's Bane, without the damage bonus. Like, seriously, just Bane. It even references it. Do you ban Bane for weapons?


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Bob Bob Bob wrote:
...it's Bane, without the damage bonus. Like, seriously, just Bane. It even references it. Do you ban Bane for weapons?

No, and that wasn't the question asked but thanks for your insightful input.

It may reference Bane regarding the groups of creature types and sub-types but it is not Bane. Moreover, it is a defensive quality so the question was simply would it translate to an offensive bonus with Shield Master and I even thought it should but was looking for confirmation of that or reasons as to why it might not work that way.

As of now, I still be believe that it works fine that way so we are in agreement.

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