Weapon Specialization and Grapple


Rules Questions

Lantern Lodge

If you choose Weapon Specialization: Grapple, what happens?

Do I get a +2 bonus to damage when I maintain a grapple, regardless of weapon? Can I have weapon specialization: grapple, and weapon specialization: dagger, and get a +4 bonus to damage when damaging an opponent with a grapple maintain?


You cannot select weapon specialization (grapple). Grapple is not a weapon.

Lantern Lodge

Yes you can:
"Weapon Specialization (Combat)
You are skilled at dealing damage with one weapon. Choose one type of weapon (including unarmed strike or grapple) for which you have already selected the Weapon Focus feat. You deal extra damage when using this weapon.

Prerequisites: Proficiency with selected weapon, Weapon Focus with selected weapon, fighter level 4th.
Benefit: You gain a +2 bonus on all damage rolls you make using the selected weapon.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a new type of weapon."


I think it does nothing. My reasoning being that you don't make damage rolls while using grapple.

Lantern Lodge

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what your trying to say, but we do make damage rolls while grappling:

"Once you are grappling an opponent, a successful check allows you to continue grappling the foe, and also allows you to perform one of the following actions (as part of the standard action spent to maintain the grapple)."

One of the actions:

"Damage: You can inflict damage to your target equal to your unarmed strike, a natural attack, or an attack made with armor spikes or a light or one-handed weapon. This damage can be either lethal or nonlethal."

Scarab Sages

Jinjifra wrote:
I think it does nothing. My reasoning being that you don't make damage rolls while using grapple.

But you do.

Grapple wrote:

Once you are grappling an opponent, a successful check allows you to continue grappling the foe, and also allows you to perform one of the following actions (as part of the standard action spent to maintain the grapple).

Damage: You can inflict damage to your target equal to your unarmed strike, a natural attack, or an attack made with armor spikes or a light or one-handed weapon. This damage can be either lethal or nonlethal.


I stand corrected. That seems very odd to me.

Yes, maintaining a grapple would do an additional 2 damage. Pretty simple.

Lantern Lodge

Oh good grief, Imbicatus you changed your avatar, I didn't recognize you!

Scarab Sages

FrodoOf9Fingers wrote:
Oh good grief, Imbicatus you changed your avatar, I didn't recognize you!

Yeah, I tend to change when I see other people using the same avatar. I've been the Saguaroi for a few months now.


It is clear that you can weapon spec (grapple), I would not allow the weapon spec damage (grapple) and (dagger) to stack though. Weapon focus doesn't stack, and while that is intended not to stack on the same weapon, I'd argue that that is exactly what you are doing (albeit in a roundabout way).

I am not so sure of that ruling that I cannot be convinced otherwise - I can see a couple of meritous counterarguments.

Lantern Lodge

Just FYI: I have no plan on grabbing weapon focus for two different weapons. I'm going battle oracle into rage prophet, and I'll be doing a lot of grapples.

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