Best Dragon?


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


So I've got a Pathfinder game coming up, and the GM is doing Gestalt with a caveat. One side needs to be a monster. SO! I'd like to be a dragon. But the question is, what kind of dragon? Red and Gold are the two classics, but there are many others. So I put it to you, what is your favorite dragon and why? Mechanics and fluff are both acceptable bits of reasoning.


go with a tarrasque synthesist

Silver Crusade

I always liked black dragons. I love the look, plus the idea of this horrible swamp beast rising out of the mire was always a favorite image of mine. I also like the acid breath.

Red dragon is pretty sweet too. Very classic.


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Bronze.

They can make people LAUGH TO DEATH.

Or groan to death, depending on how bad the joke is.


Lamontius wrote:
go with a tarrasque synthesist

Beg Pardon?


SunshineSmiles wrote:
Lamontius wrote:
go with a tarrasque synthesist
Beg Pardon?

I know, that's a terrible idea.

Silver dragons are pretty awesome.


I like all of them to add to my collection...

Umbral Dragon/Ravager because dragons aren't scary enough so you just have to add negative levels.

Silver Dragons are my go-to good dragons, nothing more comfortable than a cloud to lie back on and enjoy the sun.

Blue Dragons are my go-to bad guys, they have the temperament to plan and co-operate with others that makes them far more scary than a Reds random acts of chaos.

Scarab Sages

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White Dragon with sorcerer levels and the Elemental Fire bloodline. No one expects a White Dragon to be resistant to fire.


Since I basically love all the dragons, it'd be hard for me to pick just one. Still, if you want raw power, the time dragon is definitely the strongest for whatever age category it's at, plus, if your DM's crazy enough to let you play a great wyrm, you can literally time travel!


Rhelous wrote:
Since I basically love all the dragons, it'd be hard for me to pick just one. Still, if you want raw power, the time dragon is definitely the strongest for whatever age category it's at, plus, if your DM's crazy enough to let you play a great wyrm, you can literally time travel!

I don't see a listing beyond the basic.


Goddamn Rainbow Dragon


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Fairy dragon...

That is all...

Oh if you want to get funny... and if u can use 3rd party... A half fairy dragon (its a 3rd party race, not template) Sorcerer with the fairy dragon bloodline and your gestalt as fairy dragon.... because F+*@IN FAIRIES!!!!


I love green dragons. I just like that they're more inclined to cunning, plotting, and politics over just blasting away at opponents or ripping them to shreds. The cunning, frightening politicians of the dragons, so to speak.


SunshineSmiles wrote:
Rhelous wrote:
Since I basically love all the dragons, it'd be hard for me to pick just one. Still, if you want raw power, the time dragon is definitely the strongest for whatever age category it's at, plus, if your DM's crazy enough to let you play a great wyrm, you can literally time travel!
I don't see a listing beyond the basic.

Try this.


I've always liked blue dragons for some reason. More the color or shape than any mechanical reason, I think.

Otherwise, maybe be a brine dragon, and talk like a sailor/pirate. Complete with swears - and say that's their Painful Strikes in action! :P


Lol idk. Neothelid with half dragon template for a giant psychic dragon.


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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
The DR 15/Vorpal and the G0DDAMN LASER EYES!


My favorite since 2E were bronze dragons. They live just as much in the water as on land or in the air. They can breath "GO AWAY I'M SLEEPING" gas on you. They can change form into animals or humanoids. Add in all sorts of fun SLAs, like the ability to control the weather, and they are an awesome creature. Plus, they look kickass.


I've always been fond of the imperial forest dragon, because nobody ever expects the breath weapon to be piercing damage. Sure, elemental is probably better, but it's a hilarious surprise to energy resistant characters.


I have always preferred the fang dragon from 3.0.
I always wanted to play a monk fang Hidecarved-Dragon.


So I've chosen a gold dragon. Because shiny, GENERALLY good, and adorable. Now I'm stuck on feats. Any advice, paizo fans?


SunshineSmiles wrote:
So I've chosen a gold dragon. Because shiny, GENERALLY good, and adorable. Now I'm stuck on feats. Any advice, paizo fans?

Go melee.

Improved natural attack (bite first, then claws)
Fighter as class. Weapon focus and Weapon spec with natural weapons...

Improved Natural Armor-Stack this.
Dodge.

Totally ignore casting. You can make a hell of a melee monster.

Scarab Sages

Rynjin wrote:

Bronze.

They can make people LAUGH TO DEATH.

Or groan to death, depending on how bad the joke is.

I think you mean Copper.


alexd1976 wrote:
SunshineSmiles wrote:
So I've chosen a gold dragon. Because shiny, GENERALLY good, and adorable. Now I'm stuck on feats. Any advice, paizo fans?

Go melee.

Improved natural attack (bite first, then claws)
Fighter as class. Weapon focus and Weapon spec with natural weapons...

Improved Natural Armor-Stack this.
Dodge.

Totally ignore casting. You can make a hell of a melee monster.

Why? Why would you use Fighter for a natural weapon user.

The answer is right in front of you.


I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
Rynjin wrote:

Bronze.

They can make people LAUGH TO DEATH.

Or groan to death, depending on how bad the joke is.

I think you mean Copper.

Probably.


The Outer Dragons are pretty cool, in my opinion. Some of them are very maneuverable in flight, regardless of their size; they can even travel between stars.

Check out this ridiculous ability the Solar Dragon has:

Beam of Light (Su) A great wyrm solar dragon can transform itself into a beam of pure light and travel to any location it can see as a move action. This travel must be in a straight line, but otherwise the dragon can travel anywhere that light can enter.


kyrt-ryder wrote:
alexd1976 wrote:
SunshineSmiles wrote:
So I've chosen a gold dragon. Because shiny, GENERALLY good, and adorable. Now I'm stuck on feats. Any advice, paizo fans?

Go melee.

Improved natural attack (bite first, then claws)
Fighter as class. Weapon focus and Weapon spec with natural weapons...

Improved Natural Armor-Stack this.
Dodge.

Totally ignore casting. You can make a hell of a melee monster.

Why? Why would you use Fighter for a natural weapon user.

The answer is right in front of you.

For the sheer number of feats they get...

Imagine threatening crits on claw/claw/bite/wing/wing/tail...

Then stack the crit feats... Barbarians don't have enough feats to do that.

Crits on 19+ resulting in bleed damage AND permanently blinding people? Yup, very nice.

Or go into CMB stuff... attempt to disarm 6 times in a round! Whee!


kyrt-ryder wrote:
The answer is right in front of you.

You would need a trait or an alignment change for that, Gold Dragons are almost universally lawful. You can do it with an alignment change, but the players will probably cry cheese :) .

Now, imagine a viking (fighter) dragon :P .


Rynjin wrote:
I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
Rynjin wrote:

Bronze.

They can make people LAUGH TO DEATH.

Or groan to death, depending on how bad the joke is.

I think you mean Copper.
Probably.

If memory serves, Bronze were the ones to use sleep breath then bury them to their necks to.force them to listen to its stories and to talk to it....

It BORED people to death


Gold dragons are typically the epitome of Paladin . . . they are like a race full of paladins.


KahnyaGnorc wrote:
Gold dragons are typically the epitome of Paladin . . . they are like a race full of paladins.

No, that was the Silver.

The Gold was the wizened old dragon who was full of knowledge and wisdom through the years. They tend to be patient and considerate. By some others, they are TOO patient.


Pixie, the Leng Queen wrote:
KahnyaGnorc wrote:
Gold dragons are typically the epitome of Paladin . . . they are like a race full of paladins.

No, that was the Silver.

The Gold was the wizened old dragon who was full of knowledge and wisdom through the years. They tend to be patient and considerate. By some others, they are TOO patient.

This might have changed in pathfinder, but I've always read golds as going off on their own missions for good; their own crusades, as it were. Silvers were always the friendly and helpful type.


KahnyaGnorc wrote:
Pixie, the Leng Queen wrote:
KahnyaGnorc wrote:
Gold dragons are typically the epitome of Paladin . . . they are like a race full of paladins.

No, that was the Silver.

The Gold was the wizened old dragon who was full of knowledge and wisdom through the years. They tend to be patient and considerate. By some others, they are TOO patient.

This might have changed in pathfinder, but I've always read golds as going off on their own missions for good; their own crusades, as it were. Silvers were always the friendly and helpful type.

I remember it being the other way around. But most of my lore tends to follow forgotten realms (i have a library of over 100 books from forgotten realms :p). In particulair the series about the dragons raging. The silvers were the captains of the guards and the knights, but they tended to be a bit hasty and judgemental and led them to he prone to the rage.


We're not allowed to say the name of Bahamut, the Platinum Dragon, just 'cause we're on the Paizo message-boards?

. . .

Actually, I suppose that is WotC IP. /sigh


Bahamut predates D&D and is in other IPs, Final Fantasy comes to mind (he's the king of the dragons usually there).


Radiant Dragon, from Spelljammer...makes colossal as a size category look microscopic. Amongst many other over-powered abilities.


Doesn't Pathfinder have its own Bahamut? Apsu isn't it?


SunshineSmiles wrote:
So I've chosen a gold dragon. Because shiny, GENERALLY good, and adorable. Now I'm stuck on feats. Any advice, paizo fans?

Will you already have the feats of a Gold Dragon? Will you get to pick your own feats in place of the feats listed for the Dragon's monster entry?

If your feats are resetting, make sure you pick up Multiattack.

If you haven't picked a class yet, I'd suggest Bloodrager, with the Celestial Bloodline. All your attacks will break through DR/evil and do extra damage to evil creatures. Plus, it seems very flavor appropriate, as well as with the notion of "I'm a huge hulking beast, who can also cast some spells if I really want to".


Hitdice wrote:

We're not allowed to say the name of Bahamut, the Platinum Dragon, just 'cause we're on the Paizo message-boards?

. . .

Actually, I suppose that is WotC IP. /sigh

The name "Bahamut" is actually at least as old as 14th century Arabic mythology. Would be tough for any organization to try to assert intellectual property rights over the name.

Silver Crusade

Pixie, the Leng Queen wrote:
KahnyaGnorc wrote:
Pixie, the Leng Queen wrote:
KahnyaGnorc wrote:
Gold dragons are typically the epitome of Paladin . . . they are like a race full of paladins.

No, that was the Silver.

The Gold was the wizened old dragon who was full of knowledge and wisdom through the years. They tend to be patient and considerate. By some others, they are TOO patient.

This might have changed in pathfinder, but I've always read golds as going off on their own missions for good; their own crusades, as it were. Silvers were always the friendly and helpful type.
I remember it being the other way around. But most of my lore tends to follow forgotten realms (i have a library of over 100 books from forgotten realms :p). In particulair the series about the dragons raging. The silvers were the captains of the guards and the knights, but they tended to be a bit hasty and judgemental and led them to he prone to the rage.

I know for a fact that in vanilla 3.5 the silvers were the friendly social ones. Don't really know if that's changed in PF, and I never messed with Forgotten Realms so I don't know how that differed.


"Bahamut the Platinum Dragon" might be copyrightable/trademarkable, though, just as Tiamat being a multi-headed, multi-colored dragon goddess is WotC IP even if the name itself isn't.

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