Does Racial Heritage allow humans to take race feats?

[Ravingdork]

The Additional Resources document says that race-specific feats are only legal for their respective races.

The human-only Racial Heritage feat, which appears to be legal according to the same document, says I count as a member of that race for the purpose of taking those same race feats.

Which rule trumps the other here? I want to make a human fighter who can turn into a bird via the Tengu racial feats.

[DesolateHarmony]

There is language in the Additional Resources for the Advanced Race Guide that puts specific limits. I believe it also is listed for a few other books:

Additional Resources, Advanced Race Guide entry wrote:

Note: Alternate racial traits, racial archetypes, racial evolutions, racial feats, and racial spells are only available for characters of the associated race. Racial equipment and magic items can be purchased and used by any race as long as the specific item permits it (for example, only halflings can purchase and use solidsmoke pipeweed).

This language is not in all entries, and only applies to the ones that have it.

[kinevon]

RD: This is covered in several previous threads on this issue, one example is: Racial Feats & Racial Heritage

Short form:
Certain sources, like the ARG, limit racial feats to members of that race only.

Some sources, usually older than the ARG, allow Racial Heritage to work fine, as long as the human has all the prereqs for the feat.

[Ravingdork]

So basically I would only be getting partial benefit of my feat, and my whole character concept falls flat on its face.

That's yet another check mark against PFS for me.

[blackbloodtroll]

Well, I believe a Race Boon opens up some of those.

[The Fox]

Not every character concept works for PFS. There are an astronomical number that do, however.

[blackbloodtroll]

Like an Adventuring Astronomer? :)

[FLite]

It is no more getting partial benefit from your feat than when a home GM says "here are the books I am allowing."

[FLite]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Well, I believe a Race Boon opens up some of those.

I don't believe the race boons let you use content from that race on another race. But I know there are some scenario boons that are of the form:

You made some friends with some <redacted>. In future any of your characters can use feats from the <redacted> section of the ARG.

Or something like that.

[Nefreet]

Ravingdork wrote:

So basically I would only be getting partial benefit of my feat, and my whole character concept falls flat on its face.

Perhaps you can post your thoughts here, so we can help you pull it off within the limits of PFS?

[Ravingdork]

FLite wrote:

It is no more getting partial benefit from your feat than when a home GM says "here are the books I am allowing."

Which, if it was a book I really enjoyed, would likewise result in a negative check mark against that particular gaming group. Enough marks in that column, and I just won't play in that particular group.

Nefreet wrote:

Ravingdork wrote:

So basically I would only be getting partial benefit of my feat, and my whole character concept falls flat on its face.

Perhaps you can post your thoughts here, so we can help you pull it off within the limits of PFS?

I was thinking of a straight up non-spellcasting martial character who nevertheless possessed unique magical abilities, specifically the ability to turn into a raven. He was to be called the "Raven King."

[Rory]

Ravingdork wrote:

I was thinking of a straight up non-spellcasting martial character who nevertheless possessed unique magical abilities, specifically the ability to turn into a raven. He was to be called the "Raven King."

There are a LOT of options for "non-spellcasting martial character who nevertheless possessed unique magical abilities"... Qinggong Monk, Kineticist, Lore Warden, Unchained Rogue, etc. Use of UMD expands this even more potentially. Do you have a bit more detail?

The raven part.. Ring of Seven Lovely Colors can be obtained by level 4. Mind you "Raven King" is a title self granted and bespeaks to a higher level character, so working to obtain it by level 4 to 6 to gain your "title" seems worthy.

[Christopher Rowe]

You could play a tengu martial character and take the Tengu Raven Form feat at 7th level.

Edit to add: Though, of course, I should read more carefully and see that you're talking about a human character. That said, if you DID play a tengu, you could also take that Long-Nose Form feat and walk around as a human (and get a +2 to strength, handy for a martial character) at least part of the day. That seems kind of Raven King-ish.