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At my job, I (and my team) often have to write letters. Since they're the same handful of letters over and over again, we use "templates" (meaning Word docs with fillable fields for name, address, relevant customer info, etc).

Now, since it would be chaos if everyone could edit these templates, only a certain person can edit them. Thus, if a letter needs to be changed (maybe updated wording for legal reasons, or to reflect a change in procedure, whatever), you have to go through this person.

As it happens, there is a certain letter template which I personally am the only person in the whole company who uses it. Then one day, I discover that it has been changed.

I was not asked whether it needed to be changed.

I was not asked whether the proposed changes would be helpful or not. (There wasn't even a "proposed changes" phase.)

I was not so much as informed of the change.

I just ran into it when preparing to write a letter. And the actual changes? They ranged from completely unnecessary to actively detrimental.

Completely unnecessary: Changed the wording on a couple of things, still communicating the same message with no meaningful change.

Worse than unnecessary: Added additional fields of information to be filled in (extra steps for me to do), despite not being relevant to the topic or function of the letter.

Dubya tee eff: Removed the phone number the customer can call with questions and replaced it with a drop-down menu where I have to select a phone number. However, (1) that letter always has the exact same number so selecting one is pointless, and (2) the correct phone number isn't even in the list! So I have to delete that field entirely and then type in the number manually.

GWAAAARRRGGGH!!!!

I didn't request that the letter be revised, and nobody else uses it, so why did this person even decide to spend time on this in the first place? And how were these decisions made of what changes to actually make? URGH!


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This.


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The apparent fact that the larger the company and the bigger the software deal, the less likely it is that anyone with the technical expertise to accurately evaluate the product will be there on the purchaser's team.

I swear.
Engineer: "OK. That looks like a pretty cool product, but I noticed that for every demo you ran a recording instead of accessing the actual software. Can I take a look at how the real program behaves?"

Sales Team: "Oh, no! For security reasons we don't walk around with an open environment on us."

Engineer: "OK. This is a $30 million deal. Can I come to your campus and try it out there?"

Sales Team: "No, we don't do that."

Engineer: *RED KLAXONS GOING OFF IN HEAD*

CEO: "Well, sounds like all of my engineer's questions have been answered. Where do I sign?"

*SIGH*


I can see where everyone is coming from on that end.


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When I was a little kid, every day in second grade started with a recitation of various things, the alphabet to the tune of twinkle twinkle little star being one of them.

Granted, it was a good mnemonic. Thus I can see why it was used as a teaching device.

Unfortunately, that's also the problem.

To this very day, every time I call up the alphabet in my head (to look something up in an alphabetical list, the only thing the alphabet's actually good for), it comes up not alone, but to the tune of the song. That infernal song is still burned into the crevices of my mind, and it's there to stay.

EDIT: On a similar note (ha) I also hate nursery rhymes, the star spangled banner, patriotic songs, and christmas carols.

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Going to complain about a slightly more serious issue than most here, but it equals if not tops the stupidity of anything in this thread.

I'm about to start service in the army soon, and it is mandatory. Men in the army need to have a shaved head because the army doesn't want people walking around in army uniform with long hair.

Here's the kicker - I'm going to actually be serving in one of the very very few places where soldiers don't wear uniform, rather getting to wear reasonable civilian clothes. I will be serving next to women, and non of them are going to shave their heads, of course.

So the situation is that I will be serving without uniform, in what is essentially a high tech job, next to people who because they are female get to keep their hair. I really want to keep mine too - I've had long hair since I was 8 years old, that's 15 years now. The way I perceive myself includes this hair, which is part of me at this point. And There isn't even any actual reason to shave my head since I won't be seen in uniform anyway.

So I called the army to see if I can be exempted somehow from the draconian ruling. I've been told that I must talk specifically with my unit to get such an exemption, and that no one else had the authority to grant it to me.

The catch? the actual classic catch 22? I can only talk with my specific after being recruited. Needless to say, if I don't arrive shaven to my first day as a soldier that's a disciplinary violation and I could be thrown to military prison for it.

Leave it to the army to come up with this kind of debilitating bureaucracy. I'm going to lose my hair for no reason and there's nothing I can do about that.


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I consider forcibly shearing others (including forcing others to shear themselves against their will) to be a serious moral offense.

It isn't even logically consistent! They make men shave their heads but not women. Ostensibly it's for some sort of practicality, but what's so magic about women's hair in particular that it fails to be impractical? Absolutely nothing! There's only reason why women are not expected to shave their hair, and it's because it's culturally weird for women to have shaved heads.

Besides hair doesn't even blow around much when it's braided and/or covered by a helmet. It blows around even less when it's done up in a pretty Suebian knot.

But what do I know? I'm just a barbarian from a backwards primitive culture in which career soldiers, military hierarchy and standing armies don't natively exist.


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Actually, if I recall correctly, head shaving may have become a military thing because of concerns about fleas and/or typhus in the past? Especially with like, trench warfare, which was unsanitary as hell and if i recall more people died in the trenches from typhus than anything else. But I could be exaggerating and/or going off a bad memory with little historical study in the period.

in which case the problem isn't actually the hair, it's the unsanitary, ungodly, immoral nature of modern warfare itself. But we already knew that.

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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

I consider forcibly shearing others (including forcing others to shear themselves against their will) to be a serious moral offense.

It isn't even logically consistent! They make men shave their heads but not women. Ostensibly it's for some sort of practicality, but what's so magic about women's hair in particular that it fails to be impractical? Absolutely nothing! There's only reason why women are not expected to shave their hair, and it's because it's culturally weird for women to have shaved heads.

Besides hair doesn't even blow around much when it's braided and/or covered by a helmet. It blows around even less when it's done up in a pretty Suebian knot.

But what do I know? I'm just a barbarian from a backwards primitive culture in which career soldiers, military hierarchy and standing armies don't natively exist.

The reason, hypothetically, is that most male soldiers are combatants. So for the sake of appearances, since the combatants shave, so must all non combatant males to look more soldierly in uniform. Of course, that is simply not true considering that the small amount of female combatants don't have to shave their heads (or hack, even their faces - an army woman could potentially get away with more mustache than a military man), or that men serving in non combatant roles next to women with long hair clearly can keep theirs too without causing any harm to their functionality. Doubly so when they don't actually even wear a uniform.

But I agree. Forcing a person to alter their appearance against their will is very degrading and should only be done when and if circumstances really call for it.

Where do you come from, if I may ask? not many countries in this world can make a claim that armies don't natively exist in them.


Lord Snow wrote:
Where do you come from, if I may ask? not many countries in this world can make a claim that armies don't natively exist in them.

It was another of my many viking jokes. I actually live in the united states.

the joke was that in the viking age and migration period, ancient germanic cultures didn't really have military structures. or career soldiers or standing armies or whatever else I mentioned. You had people who would bear arms and join their king as warriors when needed but that's not the same thing as having an actual military structure.

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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:
Where do you come from, if I may ask? not many countries in this world can make a claim that armies don't natively exist in them.

It was another of my many viking jokes. I actually live in the united states.

the joke was that in the viking age and migration period, ancient germanic cultures didn't really have military structures. or career soldiers or standing armies or whatever else I mentioned. You had people who would bear arms and join their king as warriors when needed but that's not the same thing as having an actual military structure.

Plus, Vikings had awesome braids and beards.


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Lord Snow wrote:


Plus, Vikings had awesome braids and beards.

goals tbh


Regarding army head shaving:
- It's not razor blade shaved. It's a very close trim with clippers.
- women not doing the same Is a cultural thing. Aka it's weird. Frankly for the sake of equality everyone should have the same hair regulation. Having hair in the army is a pain and by the second week of basic many of the women will shave it off. The smart ones do anyway.
- it's so they all look the same. It's a cultural binding technique that works. It's a good thing as it helps put civilian culture aside and concentrate on the task at hand. Usually that means training how to kill, but not be killed. It's the army. Let's not kid ourselves about the purpose.
- for the U.S. Army is completely voluntary. Don't want to shave your head? Don't join. If it's another required service country, can't help you there.

My earnest advice: Consider it a personal growth opportunity and shave your head. You'll be surprised what you'll learn. Besides, you are not your hair and it'll grow back.


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Go into a persons house and take someones stuff you're a thief.
Kill them while doing that and you're a murderer.

Get a whole bunch of people together, put on the same uniforms and some badges, march into the neighboring country kill them and take their stuff and you're a proud warrior of your tribe/city state/country.

Lawful people are weird.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Go into a persons house and take someones stuff you're a thief.

Or law enforcement working for government.

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Kill them while doing that and you're a murderer.

Or law enforcement working for government.

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Get a whole bunch of people together, put on the same uniforms and some badges, march into the neighboring country kill them and take their stuff and you're a proud warrior of your tribe/city state/country.

Lawful people are weird.

I think there might be a pattern here.

There is a saying here: "Co wolno wojewodzie, to nie tobie smrodzie." (What warchief can do, you can't do, stinker).


Soldiers aren't warriors! Totally different thing.

Please, I already get this problem with dudebro heathens who think that in order to serve as a warrior they have to enter the military.

The military is no place of honor, I have to tell them! Go if you so wish, but there you will not find warriordom, just a career working as part of the weapons arm of the state. Join an antifa group and fight white supremacists instead.

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Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

Regarding army head shaving:

- It's not razor blade shaved. It's a very close trim with clippers.
- women not doing the same Is a cultural thing. Aka it's weird. Frankly for the sake of equality everyone should have the same hair regulation. Having hair in the army is a pain and by the second week of basic many of the women will shave it off. The smart ones do anyway.
- it's so they all look the same. It's a cultural binding technique that works. It's a good thing as it helps put civilian culture aside and concentrate on the task at hand. Usually that means training how to kill, but not be killed. It's the army. Let's not kid ourselves about the purpose.
- for the U.S. Army is completely voluntary. Don't want to shave your head? Don't join. If it's another required service country, can't help you there.

What you say is true for combatant. I will be serving in an office, in front of a computer. Girls won't be shaving their hair off because there isn't a point in doing so. There is also no real need for the people in this unit to all look the same.

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My earnest advice: Consider it a personal growth opportunity and shave your head. You'll be surprised what you'll learn. Besides, you are not your hair and it'll grow back.

What can one learn from shaving their hair? Unless by "growth opportunity" you mean the opportunity to regrow hair...

But the service will be six years long. Maybe one day I'll have long hair again, but that will take a very long time, and... my father is bald. My genetics mean that time is probably not my ally in this.


Today I Learned: wedding showers are apparently not usually co-ed and that's why the jack and jill party exists.

Did the non co-ed wedding showers develop out of the habit of people only making friends with the same gender? Which is also dumb?

And which one do I go to? Or do I just go to both.


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Captain Yesterday fun fact: I've never been to a bachelor party, even my own :-)


I've never been to one either. of either gender.


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Lord Snow wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

Regarding army head shaving:

- It's not razor blade shaved. It's a very close trim with clippers.
- women not doing the same Is a cultural thing. Aka it's weird. Frankly for the sake of equality everyone should have the same hair regulation. Having hair in the army is a pain and by the second week of basic many of the women will shave it off. The smart ones do anyway.
- it's so they all look the same. It's a cultural binding technique that works. It's a good thing as it helps put civilian culture aside and concentrate on the task at hand. Usually that means training how to kill, but not be killed. It's the army. Let's not kid ourselves about the purpose.
- for the U.S. Army is completely voluntary. Don't want to shave your head? Don't join. If it's another required service country, can't help you there.

What you say is true for combatant. I will be serving in an office, in front of a computer. Girls won't be shaving their hair off because there isn't a point in doing so. There is also no real need for the people in this unit to all look the same.

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My earnest advice: Consider it a personal growth opportunity and shave your head. You'll be surprised what you'll learn. Besides, you are not your hair and it'll grow back.

What can one learn from shaving their hair? Unless by "growth opportunity" you mean the opportunity to regrow hair...

But the service will be six years long. Maybe one day I'll have long hair again, but that will take a very long time, and... my father is bald. My genetics mean that time is probably not my ally in this.

" There's the right way, the wrong way, and the Army way. "

Lord Snow, this buzzing off of one's hair is part and parcel of becoming part of the unit from the Army's point of view. Squad level --> platoon level --> company level --> etc. When the soldiers perceive themselves as part of the unit rather than as individuals, they perform better from a combat perspective.

The Army does not need individuals, they need a big, big team performing exactly one mission: waging war. The reasons for doing so is NOT part of the Army's concern, that's the concern of the President and Congress. And not germane to your concerns. Part of what they've found that works is de-individualization. Sleeping in barracks, near-identical uniforms and all that comes with basic training is to 'detach' the volunteer-soldiers from what they were as civilians to become soldiers at a basic level regardless of your MOS.

You have your reasons for enlisting, but be aware that certain requirements simply exist regardless of your opinions of them. If you can't accept those as part of enlistment and what you seek to get from doing so, you need to examine alternatives.

Good luck!

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Captain Yesterday fun fact: I've never been to a bachelor party, even my own :-)

Was there a party that you not attended, or was there simply not a party?


Lord Snow wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

Regarding army head shaving:

- It's not razor blade shaved. It's a very close trim with clippers.
- women not doing the same Is a cultural thing. Aka it's weird. Frankly for the sake of equality everyone should have the same hair regulation. Having hair in the army is a pain and by the second week of basic many of the women will shave it off. The smart ones do anyway.
- it's so they all look the same. It's a cultural binding technique that works. It's a good thing as it helps put civilian culture aside and concentrate on the task at hand. Usually that means training how to kill, but not be killed. It's the army. Let's not kid ourselves about the purpose.
- for the U.S. Army is completely voluntary. Don't want to shave your head? Don't join. If it's another required service country, can't help you there.

What you say is true for combatant. I will be serving in an office, in front of a computer. Girls won't be shaving their hair off because there isn't a point in doing so. There is also no real need for the people in this unit to all look the same.

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My earnest advice: Consider it a personal growth opportunity and shave your head. You'll be surprised what you'll learn. Besides, you are not your hair and it'll grow back.

What can one learn from shaving their hair? Unless by "growth opportunity" you mean the opportunity to regrow hair...

But the service will be six years long. Maybe one day I'll have long hair again, but that will take a very long time, and... my father is bald. My genetics mean that time is probably not my ally in this.

If you're in the army you're a soldier. Your specific job isn't relevant. If you don't get that now, you will after basic training.

If you don't want to shave your hair don't join. If you don't have a choice about joining then come to peace with having to shave your head because the choice isn't yours anyway.

Yes, you should have the same regulation as women. Either they shave theirs or you don't yours. However, sometimes life isn't fair. Losing some hair doesn't seem that great of a price to pay for the presumed benefit you'll be getting. It's just hair. it'll grow back.

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Lord Snow wrote:

Going to complain about a slightly more serious issue than most here, but it equals if not tops the stupidity of anything in this thread.

I'm about to start service in the army soon, and it is mandatory. Men in the army need to have a shaved head because the army doesn't want people walking around in army uniform with long hair.

Here's the kicker - I'm going to actually be serving in one of the very very few places where soldiers don't wear uniform, rather getting to wear reasonable civilian clothes. I will be serving next to women, and non of them are going to shave their heads, of course.

So the situation is that I will be serving without uniform, in what is essentially a high tech job, next to people who because they are female get to keep their hair. I really want to keep mine too - I've had long hair since I was 8 years old, that's 15 years now. The way I perceive myself includes this hair, which is part of me at this point. And There isn't even any actual reason to shave my head since I won't be seen in uniform anyway.

So I called the army to see if I can be exempted somehow from the draconian ruling. I've been told that I must talk specifically with my unit to get such an exemption, and that no one else had the authority to grant it to me.

The catch? the actual classic catch 22? I can only talk with my specific after being recruited. Needless to say, if I don't arrive shaven to my first day as a soldier that's a disciplinary violation and I could be thrown to military prison for it.

Leave it to the army to come up with this kind of debilitating bureaucracy. I'm going to lose my hair for no reason and there's nothing I can do about that.

Being in the military, I totally get it. I had long hair every day of my life until I joined. There where even a few cases a few years back about some individuals that had certain haircuts for religious reasons and where forced to shave, even after getting a legal exemption. But it's perfectly cool for women. One Standard, right. I can only speak for the US military here, though, but it's an ongoing issue of favoritism that's digging deep.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

Today I Learned: wedding showers are apparently not usually co-ed and that's why the jack and jill party exists.

Did the non co-ed wedding showers develop out of the habit of people only making friends with the same gender? Which is also dumb?

And which one do I go to? Or do I just go to both.

For my friend's bachelorette party I was barefoot and in the kitchen preparing Cajun food and drinks for everyone.

My greatest pride: To this day all the women still talk about the food. If you mention the stripper, the gifts, etc., they just say, "Creepy. Tawdry. But man! Do you remember that dirty rice?!?! Mmmmmmmm!"

As for my bachelor party, the night before my wedding same said bachelorette kicked me out of my house, so I ended up in a Motel 6. My brothers found out, said, "That ain't right!", and drove out to throw me a "proper bachelor party".

Which consisted of bringing a couple bottles of Cold Duck Sparkling Burgundy (dumped down the sink because even my Mad Dog-loving brother couldn't stomach it), Taco Bell take-out, and HBO.

Woo hoo?


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Turin the Mad wrote:
You have your reasons for enlisting, but be aware that certain requirements simply exist regardless of your opinions of them. If you can't accept those as part of enlistment and what you seek to get from doing so, you need to examine alternatives.

His country has mandatory military service. He's not doing this by choice.

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DM Beckett wrote:
Lord Snow wrote:

Going to complain about a slightly more serious issue than most here, but it equals if not tops the stupidity of anything in this thread.

I'm about to start service in the army soon, and it is mandatory. Men in the army need to have a shaved head because the army doesn't want people walking around in army uniform with long hair.

Here's the kicker - I'm going to actually be serving in one of the very very few places where soldiers don't wear uniform, rather getting to wear reasonable civilian clothes. I will be serving next to women, and non of them are going to shave their heads, of course.

So the situation is that I will be serving without uniform, in what is essentially a high tech job, next to people who because they are female get to keep their hair. I really want to keep mine too - I've had long hair since I was 8 years old, that's 15 years now. The way I perceive myself includes this hair, which is part of me at this point. And There isn't even any actual reason to shave my head since I won't be seen in uniform anyway.

So I called the army to see if I can be exempted somehow from the draconian ruling. I've been told that I must talk specifically with my unit to get such an exemption, and that no one else had the authority to grant it to me.

The catch? the actual classic catch 22? I can only talk with my specific after being recruited. Needless to say, if I don't arrive shaven to my first day as a soldier that's a disciplinary violation and I could be thrown to military prison for it.

Leave it to the army to come up with this kind of debilitating bureaucracy. I'm going to lose my hair for no reason and there's nothing I can do about that.

Being in the military, I totally get it. I had long hair every day of my life until I joined. There where even a few cases a few years back about some individuals that had certain haircuts for religious reasons and where forced to shave, even after getting a legal exemption. But it's perfectly cool for women. One...

I wouldn't call this favoritism, exactly, more just outright sexism. It's not the women get unfairly good treatment in the military - it's that the military reflects the social conventions that women have long hair and men have short. Essentially, the military will do whatever it can expect to get away with.


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Stupid real world thing I noticed: People get really preachy about "it's the military, they have Reasons, deal with it"

Even though this is a thread basically dedicated to complaining, especially about things, that frankly are, stupid, no matter how sacred the military is.


Orthos wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
You have your reasons for enlisting, but be aware that certain requirements simply exist regardless of your opinions of them. If you can't accept those as part of enlistment and what you seek to get from doing so, you need to examine alternatives.
His country has mandatory military service. He's not doing this by choice.

That's been covered. If it's not his choice then it's not his choice. Life isn't fair. I predict that shaving his head is going to be the least of his concern once he gets started.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

Stupid real world thing I noticed: People get really preachy about "it's the military, they have Reasons, deal with it"

Even though this is a thread basically dedicated to complaining.

Fair point.

Complaint acknowledged. Best of luck with that.

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Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

Regarding army head shaving:

- It's not razor blade shaved. It's a very close trim with clippers.
- women not doing the same Is a cultural thing. Aka it's weird. Frankly for the sake of equality everyone should have the same hair regulation. Having hair in the army is a pain and by the second week of basic many of the women will shave it off. The smart ones do anyway.
- it's so they all look the same. It's a cultural binding technique that works. It's a good thing as it helps put civilian culture aside and concentrate on the task at hand. Usually that means training how to kill, but not be killed. It's the army. Let's not kid ourselves about the purpose.
- for the U.S. Army is completely voluntary. Don't want to shave your head? Don't join. If it's another required service country, can't help you there.
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Lord Snow, this buzzing off of one's hair is part and parcel of becoming part of the unit from the Army's point of view. Squad level --> platoon level --> company level --> etc. When the soldiers perceive themselves as part of the unit rather than as individuals, they perform better from a combat perspective.
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My earnest advice: Consider it a personal growth opportunity and shave your head. You'll be surprised what you'll learn. Besides, you are not your hair and it'll grow back.

You might be missing the point? If you are suggesting that women are not part of the squad/platoon/company/etc. . .

Can they not handle it?

Also, you seem to imply that it's ok because it's a cultural thing, but (again US only here), everyone is expected to set aside their own views, politics, and the like and both work together and deal with it, if they want to be part of the, as you said, voluntary army, (though it looks like in LS's case it is mandatory, not voluntary). Even so, shouldn't it be perfectly fine for a Muslim to not shave for religious reasons? It's an establish part of their culture, after all.

Just a head's up, the US military haircut only came into effect at the during WW1, and it was done for personal hygiene reasons only. Not professional appearance, not for everyone to look similar, and not for any sort of initiation. It was because Army medicine was still in it's infancy, and one of the easiest ways to prevent and lice and similar things was to shave the head to make them easier to find, and then remove the person from the general populace to prevent spreading. Particularly as this was one of the first real times where the US military was fighting on different soil, and not used to the different environmental hazards. Shaving of beards was similar. Up until then, the regulation was that men had to shave at least 3 times a week, and had to keep a professional appearance. It wasn't until around WW1 where gas masks started to become standard that it was required in order to have a good seal. However, even today that is something that can be bypassed with a waiver, particularly for African descended males who naturally have high risks of infection and pseudofolliculitis barbae due to shaving, because their hair tends to be more course and curly. A lot of people like to site things like "the Romans did it" or "because it makes it easier for the enemy to slit your throat", but these are all false.


DM Beckett wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:

Regarding army head shaving:

- It's not razor blade shaved. It's a very close trim with clippers.
- women not doing the same Is a cultural thing. Aka it's weird. Frankly for the sake of equality everyone should have the same hair regulation. Having hair in the army is a pain and by the second week of basic many of the women will shave it off. The smart ones do anyway.
- it's so they all look the same. It's a cultural binding technique that works. It's a good thing as it helps put civilian culture aside and concentrate on the task at hand. Usually that means training how to kill, but not be killed. It's the army. Let's not kid ourselves about the purpose.
- for the U.S. Army is completely voluntary. Don't want to shave your head? Don't join. If it's another required service country, can't help you there.
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Lord Snow, this buzzing off of one's hair is part and parcel of becoming part of the unit from the Army's point of view. Squad level --> platoon level --> company level --> etc. When the soldiers perceive themselves as part of the unit rather than as individuals, they perform better from a combat perspective.
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My earnest advice: Consider it a personal growth opportunity and shave your head. You'll be surprised what you'll learn. Besides, you are not your hair and it'll grow back.

You might be missing the point? If you are suggesting that women are not part of the squad/platoon/company/etc. . .

Can they not handle it?

Also, you seem to imply that it's ok because it's a cultural thing, but (again US only here), everyone is expected to set aside their own views, politics, and the like and both work together and deal with it, if they want to be part of the, as you said, voluntary army, (though it looks like in LS's case it is mandatory, not voluntary).

I did acknowledge it. I stated that it wasn't fair and women should have the same hair regulations as men. I'm not "ok" with it, but it's also unlikely to change anytime soon.

I just choose not to worry about something as petty as a haircut.


Hair has different meanings for different people. For example in the religion sikhism, people grow out all their hair, including beards, and never cut it because it is considered sacred.

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Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
You have your reasons for enlisting, but be aware that certain requirements simply exist regardless of your opinions of them. If you can't accept those as part of enlistment and what you seek to get from doing so, you need to examine alternatives.
His country has mandatory military service. He's not doing this by choice.
That's been covered. If it's not his choice then it's not his choice. Life isn't fair. I predict that shaving his head is going to be the least of his concern once he gets started.

Dude, this is a thread about sharing frustrating things from real life :)

Anyway, your advice is wise and true, and I made peace with the idea for a long time... until I learned that I'll be serving in one of the very rare units that don't require uniforms. Then I thought I might stand a chance, but ran into your classic military nonsense bureaucracy - I can only make a request to maintain my haircut after I cut it. A system so moronic can't be anything other than an intentional mechanism to prevent sinking serious resources into considering such requests. That really annoyed me, because it feels tantalizingly close to achievable that I keep my dignity, but that is still out of reach.

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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
Hair has different meanings for different people. For example in the religion sikhism, people grow out all their hair, including beards, and never cut it because it is considered sacred.

The women do, too. Some marvelous beards they have there. Google it, it's kind of hard to believe.Can't say I can ever possibly find that attractive, but certainly impressive.


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Lord Snow wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
Hair has different meanings for different people. For example in the religion sikhism, people grow out all their hair, including beards, and never cut it because it is considered sacred.
The women do, too. Some marvelous beards they have there. Google it, it's kind of hard to believe.Can't say I can ever possibly find that attractive, but certainly impressive.

I am aware of Harnaam Kaur. She is gorgeous! I hope that when I get on HRT I'll be able to grow a beard as magnificent as hers. c:


Lord Snow wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Orthos wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
You have your reasons for enlisting, but be aware that certain requirements simply exist regardless of your opinions of them. If you can't accept those as part of enlistment and what you seek to get from doing so, you need to examine alternatives.
His country has mandatory military service. He's not doing this by choice.
That's been covered. If it's not his choice then it's not his choice. Life isn't fair. I predict that shaving his head is going to be the least of his concern once he gets started.

Dude, this is a thread about sharing frustrating things from real life :)

Anyway, your advice is wise and true, and I made peace with the idea for a long time... until I learned that I'll be serving in one of the very rare units that don't require uniforms. Then I thought I might stand a chance, but ran into your classic military nonsense bureaucracy - I can only make a request to maintain my haircut after I cut it. A system so moronic can't be anything other than an intentional mechanism to prevent sinking serious resources into considering such requests. That really annoyed me, because it feels tantalizingly close to achievable that I keep my dignity, but that is still out of reach.

o.O My apologies, Lord Snow. My brainfarting got in the way and misinterpreted what a post or few just below yours said as where you are from. I mistook what country you are in. (Edit: figured it out. The above post is not a post you are looking for. Move along. Move along.)


@Lord Snow wear a turban until you get permission to keep your hair? Nonserious suggestion of course


Orthos wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
You have your reasons for enlisting, but be aware that certain requirements simply exist regardless of your opinions of them. If you can't accept those as part of enlistment and what you seek to get from doing so, you need to examine alternatives.
His country has mandatory military service. He's not doing this by choice.

*facepalms himself* Yeah, finally grokk'd that. Proceeds to herpderp mightily.

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Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
I did acknowledge it. I stated that it wasn't fair and women should have the same hair regulations as men. I'm not "ok" with...

No worries. It's just a very irksome double standard. :P

I loved my long hair. I did make the choice to cut it by joining, but I do think either EVERYONE should or no one should.


DM Beckett wrote:
Just a head's up, the US military haircut only came into effect at the during WW1, and it was done for personal hygiene reasons only. Not professional appearance, not for everyone to look similar, and not for any sort of initiation. It was because Army medicine was still in it's infancy, and one of the easiest ways to prevent and lice and similar things was to shave the head to make them easier to find, and then remove the person from the general populace to prevent spreading. Particularly as this was one of the first real times where the US military was fighting on different soil, and not used to the different environmental hazards. Shaving of beards was similar. Up until then, the regulation was that men had to shave at least 3 times a week, and had to keep a professional appearance. It wasn't until around WW1 where gas masks started to become standard that it was required in order to have a good seal. However, even today that is something that can be bypassed with a waiver, particularly for African descended males who naturally have high risks of infection and pseudofolliculitis barbae due to shaving, because their hair tends to be more course and curly. A lot of people like to site things like "the Romans did it" or "because it makes it easier for the enemy to slit your throat", but these are all false....

I knew it. I figured it was a measure against fleas and typhus when trench warfare became a thing.


DM Beckett wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
I did acknowledge it. I stated that it wasn't fair and women should have the same hair regulations as men. I'm not "ok" with...

No worries. It's just a very irksome double standard. :P

I loved my long hair. I did make the choice to cut it by joining, but I do think either EVERYONE should or no one should.

Agreed.


On a semi-related subject, an organization I was in sent us a pamphlet on business attire for our visit to Capitol Hill, and noticed that among the forbidden items was 'hand-crafted jewelry'

Excuse you, my wooden hammer pendant is religious. It never comes off.

Naturally, I wore it anyway. Nobody on Capitol Hill noticed or cared, and the meetings I had were great.

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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

A stupid real-world thing you notice when you're a trans person with a chosen name is that on registration forms and whatnot, people tend to not be specific about whether they just want your actual name, or your government name.

I don't like giving out my government name in situations I don't need to give it, but if the name they ask for has to be my government name, I need to know that, so I know which name to give, thanks

As a "middle namer" I too would find this helpful, although I admit that the use of my legal first name is not as problematic as it would be for a transperson.


Celestial Healer wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

A stupid real-world thing you notice when you're a trans person with a chosen name is that on registration forms and whatnot, people tend to not be specific about whether they just want your actual name, or your government name.

I don't like giving out my government name in situations I don't need to give it, but if the name they ask for has to be my government name, I need to know that, so I know which name to give, thanks

As a "middle namer" I too would find this helpful, although I admit that the use of my legal first name is not as problematic as it would be for a transperson.

Personally I think everyone has the right to reject their name that they were given at birth and choose a different one. If you don't want it, there's no reason you should have to keep it. (Hopefully your chosen name is something tasteful and not something like Dickturd the Fourth)

I'm aware that a process for legally changing your name exists, it's just, well, a process.


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

On a semi-related subject, an organization I was in sent us a pamphlet on business attire for our visit to Capitol Hill, and noticed that among the forbidden items was 'hand-crafted jewelry'

Excuse you, my wooden hammer pendant is religious. It never comes off.

Naturally, I wore it anyway. Nobody on Capitol Hill noticed or cared, and the meetings I had were great.

Isn't all good jewelry hand crafted? Seems a bit pointless to even bother including such a thing.

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Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

On a semi-related subject, an organization I was in sent us a pamphlet on business attire for our visit to Capitol Hill, and noticed that among the forbidden items was 'hand-crafted jewelry'

Excuse you, my wooden hammer pendant is religious. It never comes off.

Naturally, I wore it anyway. Nobody on Capitol Hill noticed or cared, and the meetings I had were great.

Isn't all good jewelry hand crafted? Seems a bit pointless to even bother including such a thing.

Even more confusing, is there a difference between handcrafted and manufactured? How could the way in which the Jewelry made be relevant? And if you say that it wasn't handcrafted, will anyone ever bother to check?


Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

On a semi-related subject, an organization I was in sent us a pamphlet on business attire for our visit to Capitol Hill, and noticed that among the forbidden items was 'hand-crafted jewelry'

Excuse you, my wooden hammer pendant is religious. It never comes off.

Naturally, I wore it anyway. Nobody on Capitol Hill noticed or cared, and the meetings I had were great.

Isn't all good jewelry hand crafted? Seems a bit pointless to even bother including such a thing.

That wasn't the exact clause and is more of a paraphrase.

I found the pamphlet in question and the kind of jewelry that was allowed for women was gold and silver and pearls but not "crafts". And for men necklaces are not allowed. So by either rulebook my pendant is forbidden.

Then again the pamphlet came from the University of Texas and I was on capitol hill meeting with people in the offices of Connecticut congressmen.

Silver Crusade

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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

Today I Learned: wedding showers are apparently not usually co-ed and that's why the jack and jill party exists.

Did the non co-ed wedding showers develop out of the habit of people only making friends with the same gender? Which is also dumb?

And which one do I go to? Or do I just go to both.

Whichever you are invited to? Which hopefully does not involve a poor assumption about your gender...

As gay men, my fiancé and I get invited to bachelorette parties and bridal showers all the time. While I never want to be ungrateful for an invitation (and attend fairly often), it does bug me if I think about it too much. I mean, if guys are not invited, but I am, what are they saying about me?


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Aniuś the Talewise wrote:
Tiny Coffee Golem wrote:
Aniuś the Talewise wrote:

On a semi-related subject, an organization I was in sent us a pamphlet on business attire for our visit to Capitol Hill, and noticed that among the forbidden items was 'hand-crafted jewelry'

Excuse you, my wooden hammer pendant is religious. It never comes off.

Naturally, I wore it anyway. Nobody on Capitol Hill noticed or cared, and the meetings I had were great.

Isn't all good jewelry hand crafted? Seems a bit pointless to even bother including such a thing.

That wasn't the exact clause and is more of a paraphrase.

I found the pamphlet in question and the kind of jewelry that was allowed for women was gold and silver and pearls but not "crafts". And for men necklaces are not allowed. So by either rulebook my pendant is forbidden.

Then again the pamphlet came from the University of Texas and I was on capitol hill meeting with people in the offices of Connecticut congressmen.

Random guess: they don't want people strangling Congresscritters with stringy bits. ;)

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