I hate to be that guy, but how are you getting Impale? Level 7 only gives you Expanded Element, which gives you a simple blast from your new element, all composite blasts for your combination, and the basic wild talent for your new element.Here's my build for a Human Hydro/Geo. Pretty basic stuff, no "shenanigans", should work well enough. The neat thing is that I can pick Impale at 7th since it is also a Water talent, although I mean to use it with Earth when I get it.
10 16 16 10 12 08 (15 pt and my DM's anti-dumping policy)
01 Cold; Extended Range; Point-Blank Shot, Precise Shot
02 Shroud of Water; Slick
03 Kinetic Blade; Weapon Finesse
04 Kinetic Cover
05 Entangling Infusion; Iron Will
06 Waterdancer
07 Earth, Mud; Impale; Weapon Focus: Kinetic Blast
08 Expanded Defense (Flesh of Stone)
09 Bowling Infusion; Improved Iron Will
10 Shimmering Mirage
11 Wall; Improved Critical: Kinetic Blast
12 Ride the Blast
13 Kinetic Whip; Step Up
14 SuffocateAs an alternative, Halfling with 08 17 16 10 12 09 and Fleet of Foot would work well too, though getting the three basic feats together would be more of a hassle. The +1 to attacks and AC and the Stealth bonus would be nice, though.
For a Geo/Hydro, I'd do this instead:
01 Earth; Kinetic Blade; Point-Blank Shot, Finesse
02 Flesh of Stone; Kinetic Cover
03 Extended Range; Precise Shot
04 Earth Climb
05 Bowling Infusion; Iron Will
06 Tremorsense
07 Cold, Mud; Impale; Weapon Focus: Kinetic Blast
08 Expanded Defense (Shroud of Water)
09 Kinetic Whip; Step Up
10 Earth Glide
11 Entangling Infusion; Improved Critical: Kinetic Blast
12 Ride the Blast
13 Wall; Improved Iron Will
14 WaterdancerFor Giantslayer, I might be tempted to pick a Dwarf or Gnome, replace Kinetic Cover with Earth Walk (I assume I'd be on rough mountainsides a lot) and maybe swap around Bowling and Entangling, since I figure it's easier to win a Reflex than a Combat Maneuver against a giant.
I hate to be the other guy but mud only works with the physical blast of the hydro, only the blizzard composite blast works with the cold energy blast... I really liked the idea of using the two together as well
(personally I like the hydrokeneticist).
I still don't see any manner of controlling the shape of the telekinesis object(s). You're still limited to one object or a PILE of objects. A pile is now a wall, or a bridge, or a shield, or any of the other astoundingly more useful shapes I've heard people discuss on these boards.
Just an FYI, "PILE" is your word, not the book's. The book says "container". Containers can take nearly any shape, especially in a ruling that doesn't limit shaping. You can make a very long, narrow container and lay things in it. A veritable "wall", but one that is only as thick as each piece of metal he's using.
His real problem is the 300', which will require him to also have Extreme Range. 20th level for Medium Range to cover 300'. 7th level (or 9th if you Expand into a different Element) to do it at Extreme Range.
Anyone know if metakinetics are even compatible with infusion specialization?
Their exact wording; "accept a point of burn", differs from all other mentions regarding costs, and give me the impression that even a measly empowered blast will guarantee some unavoidable nonlethal.
Metakinesis is not an Infusion, so no, it doesn't work with Infusion Specialization. However, you can use Gather Power to reduce/negate the costs of Metakinesis.
Anyone know if metakinetics are even compatible with infusion specialization?
Their exact wording; "accept a point of burn", differs from all other mentions regarding costs, and give me the impression that even a measly empowered blast will guarantee some unavoidable nonlethal.
Infusion specialization doesn't help with metakinesis or composite blasts.
Gather Power and their respective specializations (metakinetic master and composite specializations) would reduce burn for either because it works on all blasts at the cost of action economy.
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So, Alex, should we start expecting builds for Aang, Korra and all of their friends on Guidance?
The kineticist can't really do the Avatar all that well since you have to be a crazy high level in order to get most (but not all) of the elements. It's more likely that you'll see me tackle concepts like Zuko, Toph, Mako, and Bolin.
I need to remember to chat with Mark about the merits of an Avatar archetype for the kineticist. (It could also use some "commune with Etheral Plane" and other, similar Avatar-style talents.
If I were designing the archetype, I would actually do it by creating a Medium spirit (code name Raava for now) that granted a kinetic blast to the medium, or elemental talents from a different element to a kineticist, and then devise a kineticist archetype that could gain access to that spirit. It's a concept that I suppose I could do on my own through Everyman Gaming, but I'd much rather write it for Paizo. (HINT HINT MARK AND OWEN)
Actually, the real problem with the bridge of metal plates is that the weight of the metal plates probably exceeds the weight limit of the bag of holding, and it ruptured some time ago. 250 metal plates is NOT light, you know.
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Well, several hundred pounds, at least. Remember you're just lifting the carpet, you aren't making it steely rigid. It would sag like any other cloth under additional weight, and could potentially rupture from the stress.
Probably the best thing would be a folding boat. SOlve all the issues of size and storage in one device.
Another option would be a tightly woven net of good hemp, or a rope bridge, although you get into the 'manipulating form' problem again.
==Aelryinth
You could always hold the carpet using the container option of holding objects. Then the carpet would be pushing up against the floor of the container.
Well, several hundred pounds, at least. Remember you're just lifting the carpet, you aren't making it steely rigid. It would sag like any other cloth under additional weight, and could potentially rupture from the stress.
Probably the best thing would be a folding boat. SOlve all the issues of size and storage in one device.
Another option would be a tightly woven net of good hemp, or a rope bridge, although you get into the 'manipulating form' problem again.
==Aelryinth
you're holding the entire carpet, the entire carpet would hold the additional weight.
If you wanna get snazzy, make like a carriage with a roof and you can ride in style and always been rested lol
you're holding the entire carpet, the entire carpet would hold the additional weight.Well, several hundred pounds, at least. Remember you're just lifting the carpet, you aren't making it steely rigid. It would sag like any other cloth under additional weight, and could potentially rupture from the stress.
Probably the best thing would be a folding boat. SOlve all the issues of size and storage in one device.
Another option would be a tightly woven net of good hemp, or a rope bridge, although you get into the 'manipulating form' problem again.
==Aelryinth
Hold up a paper plate with stuff on it.
The paper plate can still rupture, dumping everything...and you're still holding onto the paper plate.That's what I'm trying to get across. Have to be careful of the weight limit of the carpet itself.
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The paper plate won't rupture if you rest it on your palm. No reason TK should only hold up the edges.
Re Impale: Gah, no infusion at 7th? That's an argument in favor of Metal. Incidentally, is there a final word on an Extra Wild Talent feat...?
Mud: Are you sure?! I was convinced it was by element, not by simple blast. Anyway, Mark seemed pretty relaxed about making new composite blasts (Permafrost?), so at least that should work.
Unfortunately no. The feat says you can get an infusion or non-infusion wild talent, but not a blast or a defense wild talent. And that it has to be 2 levels lower than highest level wild talent you can use.
You can't rest the plate on your palm with TK haul. That's akin to having it floating on a wall of force or other rigid surface. That's a totally separate effect then what is going on. What you're doing is hauling it around as it naturally IS.
You're holding onto the plate, and the plate can give way. It's the only fair way to rule it.
Note that even the people using skimming are trying to use a rigid surface to do so, for a reason.
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What you're doing is hauling it around as it naturally IS.This has no meaning.
You might as well argue that you Self-TK should kill you because you're basically hanging yourself. TK affects the whole target object like gravity, not just parts of it. It's like gravity or a tractor beam.
How's this for meaning?
You get the choice of one object, or piles of small objects. A "pile" is not a bridge or shield or whatever, it's a pile--a cobbled together clump. Some of the ideas I'm seeing people posting aren't supported anywhere in the rules. Where is this coming from?
Again, only references a single object. Arguably, you can't even lift multiple heavy objects, only one big one or a PILE of light ones.
The spell says you can "lift and move" the object. What it doesn't say is how fine your control of the object is. Personally, I'd say you can do anything you'd be able to do with a single hand of the appropriate size and strength.
The spell says you can "lift and move" the object. What it doesn't say is how fine your control of the object is. Personally, I'd say you can do anything you'd be able to do with a single hand of the appropriate size and strength.
Well then, I'd imagine we'd turn to the telekinesis spell for guidance on what 'one hand' can do. Unless the Kineticist gives better guidance...
An object can be telekinetically manipulated as if with one hand. For example, a lever or rope can be pulled, a key can be turned, an object rotated, and so on, if the force required is within the weight limitation. You might even be able to untie simple knots, though delicate activities such as these require DC 15 Intelligence checks.
So, assuming a 20th, level Telekinetic, spending a point of burn, he could, in theory, lift and move about a 20,000 lbs. object. Using your guess of being able to manipulate it 'as a single hand (assuming one large and strong enough) and the telekinesis spell, I should have enough control to tie a simple note, rotate keys, pull levers etc.
Using real life examples, I know that waiters and waitresses can keep a tray full of dishes balanced in one hand and walk through a busy restaurant... so I imagine a telekineticist would be able to keep something he was lifting pretty balanced as well. Assuming it's "as if using one hand" of course.
TK Finesse could really use better language. It seems to be its own thing independent of Basic TK or Haul.
The spell says you can "lift and move" the object. What it doesn't say is how fine your control of the object is. Personally, I'd say you can do anything you'd be able to do with a single hand of the appropriate size and strength.Well then, I'd imagine we'd turn to the telekinesis spell for guidance on what 'one hand' can do. Unless the Kineticist gives better guidance...
It does in fact. It says "This ability is similar to mage hand, except ..."
Therefore, except for where noted, it should work like mage hand.
Where does Mage hand say?
And TK finesse is its own SLA. You don't actually have to have basic to pick it up.
The spell says you can "lift and move" the object. What it doesn't say is how fine your control of the object is. Personally, I'd say you can do anything you'd be able to do with a single hand of the appropriate size and strength.Well then, I'd imagine we'd turn to the telekinesis spell for guidance on what 'one hand' can do. Unless the Kineticist gives better guidance...It does in fact. It says "This ability is similar to mage hand, except ..."
Therefore, except for where noted, it should work like mage hand.
Curse Alaskan distributors! Always taking a month or two after release to get crap up here (at least, for gaming purposes anyway) :(
So, mage hand then...
You point your finger at an object and can lift it and move it at will from a distance. As a move action, you can propel the object as far as 15 feet in any direction, though the spell ends if the distance between you and the object ever exceeds the spell's range.
All right, so then that would give absolutely 0 guidance on how fine the manipulation of an object you can achieve is. Perhaps, then, you require Telekinetic Finesse in order to anything other than lift/move/throw objects around?
TK finesse has no prereqs. It does exactly what it says. Fine manipulation of objects allowing slight of hand and disable device checks as a spell like ability. TK finesse can target attended objects, which mage hand can't.
There is literally no way to obtain TK Finesse without obtaining Basic TK.Where does Mage hand say?
And TK finesse is its own SLA. You don't actually have to have basic to pick it up.
I may see what you are talking about but you can pick up aether as a second element and not have basic while still getting TK finesse.
Maybe you should go back and read the actual text. I'd quote it but it's hard to do on my phone.
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Even if you take Aether as an Expanded Element, you must take Basic TK:
(Su): At 7th level, a kineticist
learns to use another element or expands her
understanding of her own element. She can choose
any element, including her primary element. She
gains one of that element’s simple blast wild talents
that she does not already possess, if any. She also gains
all composite blast wild talents whose prerequisites
she meets, as well as the basic wild talent of her chosen
expanded element (for instance, basic aerokinesis if she
chooses air).
TELEKINETIC FINESSE
Element aether; Type utility (Sp); Level 1; Burn 0
You can perform any sort of fine manipulation you choose within
close range, including attempting Sleight of Hand and Disable
Device checks.
So first, the ability is spell like, meaning that you cant cast it when using your basic or haul. Second, you can perform slight of hand which would target attended objects which basic can't do. Third, it doesn't reference basic, while haul does. Fourth, it's range is different than basic. Fifth, it doesn't use words like "when" or "while".