APG Pregen - Feiya


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Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Weapon Finesse doesn't work with Scimitar, either.

And I doubt he's the Dervish Dancing type.

(oh, my, 50 posts already? I think the next time that I post another APG character I'll make a new thread for it. Would also steer away from using the word "Pregen" in the thread title)

Silver Crusade 3/5

Given his array in Council of Thieves, I like

    Str 12, Dex 18, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 8, Cha 10

It seems honest to the intent of his build. I have added 1 point to the Dex and Con scores, and have left the others untouched.

Silver Crusade 3/5

Nefreet wrote:

Weapon Finesse doesn't work with Scimitar, either.

And I doubt he's the Dervish Dancing type.

(oh, my, 50 posts already? I think the next time that I post another APG character I'll make a new thread for it. Would also steer away from using the word "Pregen" in the thread title)

D'oh! You're right, of course.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

And I may just put him off until the end. Magi are hugely popular, especially Seltyiel, and we're basically flying through clouds compared to the APG examples we have in print. I have a feeling that no matter what I end up doing, a good chunk of people won't be happy with it.

Liberty's Edge 2/5 5/5 **

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kinevon wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
Alrighty. How's this?
It's nicely done. But PFS Judges still need to remember that the only pregens they are allowed to give out to players, are the official Paizo ones.

That is incorrect, and that argument has been done to death.

Up thread, Mike Brock even wrote:
First level characters and their builds are fine since we have rebuild rules in place
GMs and players have been handing newbies scraps of paper with scribbles on them for years. This is just a fancier version of a hastily scribbled 1st level character.
Then I have to say that campaign management has been giving us mixed signals. There was a document on the late and lamented PathfinderDB site that had 100 pregens of multiple mixes of race and character class. We would print out that document and let players pick out sheets for use as pregens until we were told to stop and stick to the official pregens.

And, as Mike mentioned, they are not pregens. They were prebuilt or sample characters, not PFS pregens.

And, IIRC, they had some issues, including illegal-for-PFS pieces in them. Add that they were hosted by a for-profit site, and things can get ugly.

Add-in that many of us, myself for one, couldn't get the section with the sample PCs to actually load up....

While I don't mean to distract the topic from Nefreet's excellent work here, I'd like to note that, as the guy who made those pregens, to the best of my knowledge they did not and do not include anything not PFS legal, and did have the Community Use boilerplate on the title page. They may well have had a few other issues - I've found a couple math errors over the years - but by and large there shouldn't be any reason those characters can't be used or distributed in the manner LazarX suggested. (They aren't pregens in the PFS sense of the term, though, as Mike notes, and are not presented as such in the document.)

Grand Lodge 5/5

Love the work.

The APG summoner isn't a legal choice so Unchained?

And frankly I'd like to see the border be purple around the summoner.

Red for inquisitor to match her outfit

Silver seems like a good choice for Magus

Green for the witch? But that creepy necrotic green.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Michael Thompson wrote:
The APG summoner isn't a legal choice so Unchained?

Yup. I played the 5th level Unchained Summoner Pregen recently through Fane of Fangs, so I was going to use that (combined with the statblock from MotFF) to figure out what he'd look like at level 1.

Liberty's Edge 2/5 5/5 **

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FWIW, Weapon Finesse and ancestral arms (EWP: Aldori dueling sword) make Seltyiel's listed statline make a whole lot more sense - and make his artwork a little more reasonable too...

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More Splendeferous hat!


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Nefreet wrote:
I made the border purple for Feiya...

Excellent choice.

Nefreet wrote:
Maybe silver for Seltyiel? He'll be 100% from scratch. I am unaware of any other examples of him out there.

"Black like his soul" not an option?

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Shisumo wrote:
FWIW, Weapon Finesse and ancestral arms (EWP: Aldori dueling sword) make Seltyiel's listed statline make a whole lot more sense - and make his artwork a little more reasonable too...

Perhaps, but I'm not aware of any Pregens with alternate racial traits, so I wanted to remain within the confines of what the common practices have been.

The color scheme I went with for Seltyiel was black lettering on silver background, with silver border. All the others I'm working on use white letters on colored backgrounds, with colored borders.

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

Feiya wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
I made the border purple for Feiya...

Excellent choice.

Nefreet wrote:
Maybe silver for Seltyiel? He'll be 100% from scratch. I am unaware of any other examples of him out there.
"Black like his soul" not an option?

Well, we were asked to give them a different border color, to distinguish them from paizo products. So sadly, it is not an option.

Sovereign Court 5/5 *

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Nefreet wrote:


There's an FAQ stating that you get the +50% damage from Power Attack, but this FAQ says to treat it as a one-handed weapon for purposes of applying your Strength bonus to damage.

A Bit Off Topic:

Copied and Pasted the 2nd FAQ:
Weapons, Two-Handed in One Hand: When a feat or other special ability says to treat a weapon that is normally wielded in two hands as a one handed weapon, does it get treated as one or two handed weapon for the purposes of how to apply the Strength modifier or the Power Attack feat?

From the PRD:
Lance: A lance deals double damage when used from the back of a charging mount. While mounted, you can wield a lance with one hand.

Notice that the lance does not say to treat the weapon as a one-handed weapon.

My reading is that it still functions in all ways as a two-handed weapon, but can be used in one hand on a mount.

Nice work on these characters!

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

Nefreet wrote:
And I may just put him off until the end. Magi are hugely popular, especially Seltyiel, and we're basically flying through clouds compared to the APG examples we have in print. I have a feeling that no matter what I end up doing, a good chunk of people won't be happy with it.

Actually a really big problem with him is that all the "canonical" versions of him are Lawful Evil.

Which means you have to either move him away from his original intent, or he is unplayable in the society.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

I figured he would just use the 1st level rebuild rules to become Lawful Evil, and then be axed from the Society =). I have him down as Lawful Neutral at the moment.

I stalled while working on Imrijka. I've been prepping GenCon stuff, as well as local games that I'm GMing, as well as working a new shift at work, but my plan is to finish Imrijka, Damiel, and Balazar before GenCon.

And I'll post them all in a new thread to avoid any use of the word "Pregen".

Liberty's Edge 2/5 5/5 **

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Meligaster's PFS pregen is N, even though he's actually NE. Bumping Seltyiel "up" a notch the same way would just be following precedent.

Liberty's Edge 4/5 RPG Superstar Season 9 Top 16

Looks like I need to update my "pregens" as well. I did a set of 20 level 1 characters that were CORE legal so that I could give options to players at a convention. That way including the iconic from Paizo, there were 3 of each class, giving players who hadn't prepared for core some more options.

I didn't have all the legal text right on mine either. I never posted mine online anywhere, just had some printout sheets, but I'll make sure I get them fixed up before our next con.

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Robert Thomson wrote:

Looks like I need to update my "pregens" as well. I did a set of 20 level 1 characters that were CORE legal so that I could give options to players at a convention. That way including the iconic from Paizo, there were 3 of each class, giving players who hadn't prepared for core some more options.

I didn't have all the legal text right on mine either. I never posted mine online anywhere, just had some printout sheets, but I'll make sure I get them fixed up before our next con.

Unique player-written stat blocks aren't CUP. You probably want to look at the OGL license requirements instead.

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