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Is their a god or demigod who's focus is less guiding evil creatures, baby eating, and other sorts of "big evil" and more on acting like a d@$$&ead and making everyone else's day bad because someone was mean to them, cut them off in line, egged their house, ect. All this with the idea that a bad temper caused will prevent good deeds and cause jerkish behaviour. A ripple effect of petty evil.
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Asmodeus would work just fine. No evil is petty -- what matters is to slowly turn the soul away from its orbit around the Light and redirect it into the outer Darkness.
Big evil gets noticed. Big messy evil gets fought. Slow, petty, stuff --- that's the ticket.
(And now you know why Cheliax is so bureaucratic...)
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Calistria has some aspects of revenge to her, maybe that could work?
I also play a gnome cleric of one the Eldest, The Lantern King. I play him slightly off (talking to his deity as if he was there, surprised others cannot see him). Most sessions I try play pranks or otherwise throw off other party members, but definitely take revenge on others when slighted.
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Also, Calistria, while not evil, has antipaladins who can do exactly that.
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Yes but Asomdeus is also a god of big evil. I'm talking more about someone dedicated to generally being problematic for other people. My inspiration is how Crowly from Good Omens handled being a devil. I'm interested in if there is anyone dedicated solely to being this sort of person. A god of general unpleasantness.
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Gyronna portfolio includes Hatred and Spite, those two are quite important factors of petty evil, and hags are often portrayed as petty beings.
Yes but Asomdeus is also a god of big evil. I'm talking more about someone dedicated to generally being problematic for other people. My inspiration is how Crowly from Good Omens handled being a devil. I'm interested in if there is anyone dedicated solely to being this sort of person. A god of general unpleasantness.
Priest of Urgathoa, who is too busy with the physical excess aspects of Pallid Princess faith, particularly gluttony and laziness, to act really evil, and keeps his evil status only because of token acts of petty evil.
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Gyronna portfolio includes Hatred and Spite, those two are quite important factors of petty evil, and hags are often portrayed as petty beings.
She is the closest, however she also only accepts women into her worship. I'm also looking over demi-gods, since they can have some pretty specific portfolios, like the Daemeon Harbinger of "things that go bump in the night and scare little children" Well it's basements, closets and delusions of safety.
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Norgorber also seems like a good candidate. Sure his followers are easily capable of greater evils but just looking at his deific obedience says to me that the bulk of his followers are people who generally enjoy senseless and petty acts of subversion.
Alternatively Braismois, the god of broken deals, fine prints and unfair contracts seems like a fun choice for a contrast with Asmodeus.
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If you're homebrewing something, I'd suggest a gremlin with divine source.
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mmm demon lord of vandalism, mischief and gremlins
Secretly, he's just a normal gremlin, only with divine source. He stands on top of four other normal gremlins in a trenchcoat so no one notices.
Is their a god or demigod who's focus is less guiding evil creatures, baby eating, and other sorts of "big evil" and more on acting like a d$+@+ead and making everyone else's day bad because someone was mean to them, cut them off in line, egged their house, ect. All this with the idea that a bad temper caused will prevent good deeds and cause jerkish behaviour. A ripple effect of petty evil.
I generally don't think jerkish behavior is evil...it's just annoying. So I think a god that advocated only this and nothing more significant strikes me as chaotic neutral, not evil.
Calistria would work. For a more evil god, Zyphus would too, since he is a deity pretty focused on spite and sabotage. Although I don't think egging a house would be sufficient to get into good graces with the latter deity.
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Wasn't there a joke like this about Norgorber being four halflings in a trenchcoat?mmm demon lord of vandalism, mischief and gremlinsSecretly, he's just a normal gremlin, only with divine source. He stands on top of four other normal gremlins in a trenchcoat so no one notices.
There is.
Mostly it's a goofy trope that goes back to many old cartoons where smaller creatures would stack on top of themselves, put on a hat and trench coat, the "top" one putting on a fake mustache and sunglasses, and then passing themselves off as a larger creature.
The most off-the-top-of-my-head example is the Chipmonks, though I've seen it in way too many cartoons to recount.
Silly trope, often used. :)
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Could there also be a good of being somewhat nice?
I doubt it. Gods are the epitome of human virtues and vices and emotions. Not sure what would be the point of gods otherwise.
So we could have a worshiper of, say, Iomedae, who is a nice guy, sometimes helps his elderly neighbour with chores. When a war comes along, he joins the army and then volunteers for the supply unit, relatively far from the fighting, because the war is just and all, but he does not want to die. He is good, in a petty way.
Similarly, we could have a worshipper of Rovagug who is generally a bit of a douchebag in daily life, and sometimes late at night he sneaks out of the house and breaks windows, especially the really nice coloured glass ones if he comes across them. He will also sometimes take a dump on peoples' front steps. But Rovagug himself is far, far beyond crap like that.
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Could there also be a good of being somewhat nice?
I doubt it. Gods are the epitome of human virtues and vices and emotions. Not sure what would be the point of gods otherwise.
So we could have a worshiper of, say, Iomedae, who is a nice guy, sometimes helps his elderly neighbour with chores. When a war comes along, he joins the army and then volunteers for the supply unit, relatively far from the fighting, because the war is just and all, but he does not want to die. He is good, in a petty way.
Similarly, we could have a worshipper of Rovagug who is generally a bit of a douchebag in daily life, and sometimes late at night he sneaks out of the house and breaks windows, especially the really nice coloured glass ones if he comes across them. He will also sometimes take a dump on peoples' front steps. But Rovagug himself is far, far beyond crap like that.
Well I did say god or demi-god (so things like protean lords, demon lords, nescant demon lords, Kyton Demagogs, Daemon Harbingers, Quippoloth lords, Infernal Dukes, Archdevils, Whore Queens, Raksasha Immortals, Asura Ranas...)
Some of them have very small areas of interest, like kidnapping children, or Fungi, infected wounds and rot, or the like.
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Gods are the epitome of human virtues and vices and emotions. Not sure what would be the point of gods otherwise.
Eh, lots of gods are just powered up natural phenomena or cosmic roles and have nothing to do with epitomizing human virtues, vices, or emotions.
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After glancing through the areas of concern for the evil and neutral gods I think Gyronna's spite is the best match for petty lashing out at everyone because something bad happened to you.
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Voadam, fair enough, but is there a god of drizzle and a little bit of fog? There are plenty of thunder gods though.
One of the Nephali, perhaps? ;)
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But the Nephali are not really gods, are they?
In the "Screwtape Letters", Screwtape wrote that cards are as good as murder, if it leads the person to hell.
Perhaps helping an old lady across the street is as good as killing the Lich King and all his Evil Minions, if it leads one to the Seven Heavens?
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Is their a god or demigod who's focus is less guiding evil creatures, baby eating, and other sorts of "big evil" and more on acting like a d$+@+ead and making everyone else's day bad because someone was mean to them, cut them off in line, egged their house, ect. All this with the idea that a bad temper caused will prevent good deeds and cause jerkish behaviour. A ripple effect of petty evil.I generally don't think jerkish behavior is evil...it's just annoying. So I think a god that advocated only this and nothing more significant strikes me as chaotic neutral, not evil.
Calistria would work. For a more evil god, Zyphus would too, since he is a deity pretty focused on spite and sabotage. Although I don't think egging a house would be sufficient to get into good graces with the latter deity.
What you need is the Golarion equivalent of Bart Simpson to somehow get Mythic powers.
Calistria is actually not a good choice. Yes, she is all about vengeance, but she is more a 'three-fold rule' sort of Vengeance. Vengeance wholly out of proportion to the slight suffered. The OP is specifically talking about a kind of 'thousand papercuts of the soul' kind of evil. The kind of Evil that Crowley from Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman's 'Good Omens' practiced.
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Calistria is actually not a good choice. Yes, she is all about vengeance, but she is more a 'three-fold rule' sort of Vengeance. Vengeance wholly out of proportion to the slight suffered. The OP is specifically talking about a kind of 'thousand papercuts of the soul' kind of evil. The kind of Evil that Crowley from Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman's 'Good Omens' practiced.
Yes this is it. Not the not evil enough to be evil, but the "if I make everyone else's days just that little bit worse, then they'll be just that little bit grumpier themselves, and so on and so forth. And if people are in more of a sour mood, they're less likely to do good works and everyone's going to be more unhappy in general. Therefore less likely to do good works and more likely to do bad things because their mood is already foul.
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Voadam, fair enough, but is there a god of drizzle and a little bit of fog? There are plenty of thunder gods though.
i remember a god like that in one of pratchet's books, and one in the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy (he didn't know he was a drizzle god though)
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You don't look for a god of petty evil among the big 20. Even if a god of petty evil was a full god, in the hierarchy of evil, they would probably fall well below thousands of evil demigods. Who do you think the leaders of Hell, the Abyss, and Abaddon will respect more: the demigod of murder, or the god of malicious inconvenience?
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You don't look for a god of petty evil among the big 20. Even if a god of petty evil was a full god, in the hierarchy of evil, they would probably fall well below thousands of evil demigods. Who do you think the leaders of Hell, the Abyss, and Abaddon will respect more: the demigod of murder, or the god of malicious inconvenience?
I know he's not among the big 20 and likely at the level of demon lord or nascent demon lord or something like that.
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That sounds a bit like Zyphus, he's never plotting any big evil, although the plots are typically murderous, given that the "accidents" are supposed to be lethal, but he's never about absolute power or widespread mayhem.
Came here to suggest this. Seconding Zyphus. His full writeup can be found in Pathfinder #89: Palace of Fallen Stars. Accidental deaths are most pleasing to him, but petty inconveniences—especially those that cause harm—are also in his wheelhouse.
As an example, one of his holidays is "The Day of Gritted Teeth," which basically revolves around punking pharasmin priests in petty ways.
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You don't look for a god of petty evil among the big 20. Even if a god of petty evil was a full god, in the hierarchy of evil, they would probably fall well below thousands of evil demigods. Who do you think the leaders of Hell, the Abyss, and Abaddon will respect more: the demigod of murder, or the god of malicious inconvenience?
Nobody will diss the Cult of Elevator Flatulence after getting stuck in one of the affected elevators . . . .
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Find a PC that acts like a designated antagonist (exactly what you describe - not evil, yet petty and certainly unlikeable. Not necessarily chaotic either as being rude isn't unlawful, though certainly not nice). This candidate should take the test of the Starstone sometime. If they succeed - BAM, you have your deity of petty rudeness (or looking out for number one).
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Find a PC that acts like a designated antagonist (exactly what you describe - not evil, yet petty and certainly unlikeable. Not necessarily chaotic either as being rude isn't unlawful, though certainly not nice). This candidate should take the test of the Starstone sometime. If they succeed - BAM, you have your deity of petty rudeness (or looking out for number one).
It's more than looking out for #1... It's going out of your way to be a prick to everyone. You don't kill or maim people. And you will accept inconveniences if they make everyone else's day worse.
and I'm surprised that no one has said why not the demon lord of TROLLS yet.
(even if that is a horrible horrible pun)
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^Judging from Baba Yaga's creation of Irrisen, she goes quite a way beyond simply unleashing the Divine Wind in an elevator . . . .
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If going by canon, Baba Yaga's specifically rejected divinity - doesn't want to deal with it.
Also, cooking children probably takes her a bit beyond "petty" evil =P
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All evil works on appearing pretty -- or at least impressive.
It's only after you're in the snare that the masks come off, and you see that Asmodeus isn't laughing with you, but at you. Norgorber isn't selling you secrets, he's buying yours and selling them to your enemies. Lamashtu might have the hot-and-heavy vibe, but you're not her children, you're their food.
The remaining evil deities are left as an exercise for the nightmare-prone.
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All evil works on appearing pretty -- or at least impressive.
It's only after you're in the snare that the masks come off, and you see that Asmodeus isn't laughing with you, but at you. Norgorber isn't selling you secrets, he's buying yours and selling them to your enemies. Lamashtu might have the hot-and-heavy vibe, but you're not her children, you're their food.
The remaining evil deities are left as an exercise for the nightmare-prone.
Man, before reading the title, like, five times, I was totally going to say similar. Also something about succubi, probably.
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And her brother, Socothbenoth.