A 10th level Oracle with the "Blackened" curse gets Wall of Fire as a bonus spell... but there is no mention of spell level in curse bonus spells. Does this take up a 4th level slot, as a wizard, or could an argument be made for casting it from a 3rd level slot, as a summoner? (It's possible for an Oracle with the right favored class to get the spell at level 7—but at that level, they can only cast up to 3rd level spells)
Why 5th level? That seems to makes no sense. Also, I'm talking about curse bonus spells, not revelation bonus (the gnome/halfling favored class), which specifically has no mention of the level the bonus spells are at, and I'm trying to understand if there's a general rule for these things.
I would say it would be level 4, similar to what the Mystery (Flame) would be. I have an Oracle with blackened and Mystery (Flame), and use Hero Lab for most of my character builds. For some reason, Hero Lab grants it as a level 3 spell (due to Blackened) and again as a level 4 (due to Flame mystery). I can't find as to why.
I'm thinking Diego may be right, however, that Wall of Fire would be a 5th level spell. The granted spell would take the highest spell slot you have (in this case, 5th). That would be the druid's version of the spell, essentially.
However, as a GM, I'd be pretty forgiving on what spell slot it takes. Reasons for this is that the spell has no DC, so it is only a question of what the counterspell/dispel difficulty would be.
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Why 5th level? That seems to makes no sense.
1) AFAIK it hasn't ever been clearly stated but:
-Cleric domains, sorcerer bloodlines, wizard schools, and certain other class features give spell-like abilities that aren't based on spells. What's the effective spell level for these abilities?
The effective spell level for these spell-like abilities is equal to the highest-level spell that a character of that class could normally cast at the level the ability is gained.
- the general consensus is that you treat spells learned through bloodlines and mysteries work the same way. If you can cast 5th level spells and you get a bonus know spell from your bloodline or mystery it is a 5th level spell.
2) When you "import" a spell from another spell list you usually import the version from the CRB and from the same kind of caster. Oracles are divine casters, a cleric hasn't Wall of fire, but there is a divine caster class that has it, the druid, so you "import" the druid version of the spell, not the wizard version, and especially not the summoner version.
Also, I'm talking about curse bonus spells, not revelation bonus (the gnome/halfling favored class), which specifically has no mention of the level the bonus spells are at, and I'm trying to understand if there's a general rule for these things.
Oracle: Add +1/2 to the oracle's level for the purpose of determining the effects of the oracle's curse ability.
Nice trick. The curse author didn't know about that ability when he wrote it as the ARG was printed after Blood of Angels. But that don't change anything. You will normally get the curse spell as specific levels, the changes made by the favorite class bonus don't change the operative level of the spell.
Nice trick. The curse author didn't know about that ability when he wrote it as the ARG was printed after Blood of Angels. But that don't change anything. You will normally get the curse spell as specific levels, the changes made by the favorite class bonus don't change the operative level of the spell.
Nope... but this same question gets raised by the Haunted curse's Reverse Gravity, which was published before ARG. I guess I was hoping for the Fire Domain's ability to cast Wall of Fire as a 4th level spell, but it sounds like there isn't a lot of agreement.
Cleric domains, sorcerer bloodlines, wizard schools, and certain other class features give spell-like abilities that aren't based on spells. What's the effective spell level for these abilities?
The effective spell level for these spell-like abilities is equal to the highest-level spell that a character of that class could normally cast at the level the ability is gained.
This, though, is an irrelevant argument. Effective spell level for SLAs only effects DC and dispel-resistance, not actual difficulty casting, since they are emphatically not spells added to your list.