Minor Question about determining subtiers (Season 2)


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Sczarni 4/5

Hello to everyone,

I am GMing tomorrow a single season 2 scenario (Rebel's Ransom) and with the current party APL (7.4 with 5 players), it's pretty close to being on the borderline between the two subtiers (5-6 & 8-9). Would it be considered fair to consider this same as 0.5 ruling and let the party decide the subtier they wish to play?

0.5 ruling from PFS Guide:
In order to determine which subtier a mixed-level group of PCs must play in, calculate the group’s average party level (APL). Divide the total number of character levels by the number of characters in the party. You should always round to the nearest whole number. If you are exactly at 0.5, let the group decide which subtier they wish to play.

Thanks on responses,

Adam

The Exchange 4/5 5/5

Malag wrote:

Hello to everyone,

I am GMing tomorrow a single season 2 scenario (Rebel's Ransom) and with the current party APL (7.4 with 5 players), it's pretty close to being on the borderline between the two subtiers (4-5 & 8-9). Would it be considered fair to consider this same as 0.5 ruling and let the party decide the subtier they wish to play?
Adam

It rounds to 7, then you go with the last paragraph of that section:

Quote:
For scenarios written in Seasons 0 to 3, when the APL is in between subtiers, a party of six or seven characters must play the higher subtier. Parties with four or five characters must play the lower subtier. In the fringe case where there are no players that are high enough to have reached the subtier level (such as a party of six 3rd level characters), the group may decide to play down to the lower subtier

Sczarni 4/5

@Kevin Willis

I am aware how it rounds down to 7. At the moment, party would play lower subtier (5-6), but I am basically asking if there is some "leeway" in determining this decision with APL of 7.4.

5/5

Malag wrote:

@Kevin Willis

I am aware how it rounds down to 7. At the moment, party would play lower subtier (5-6), but I am basically asking if there is some "leeway" in determining this decision with APL of 7.4.

I understand the desire...but in this case it is what it is. If APL is below 7.5 it rounds to 7. The Guide tells you what to do at that point.

If AND ONLY IF, you come out exactly at a x.5 APL can the party make the decision to round up or down.

Sczarni 4/5

@Kevin Ingle

Yeah, no worries. I'll follow the Guide, but I had to ask anyway because I know who is coming at my table.

Thanks on responses

5/5

Malag wrote:

@Kevin Ingle

Yeah, no worries. I'll follow the Guide, but I had to ask anyway because I know who is coming at my table.

Thanks on responses

Malag, I assumed you would, and trust me I can understand the desire. Some of the earlier seasons challenges don't really stack up and the rules can lead to some odd corner cases.

It's one of those cases where some bad apples spoiled it for the whole crop sort of thing. Too many people gaming the old system and playing up all the time caused some issues with wealth/level balance from what I remember hearing.

The scenario has a great story though, and if that can come out, it'll still be a blast I'm sure.

The Exchange 4/5 5/5

I'm not sure what your concern is in this particular case. Given the paragraph I quoted, with 5 players they will be in the high tier. (Unless I am misunderstanding and they want to play low.)

Sczarni 4/5

@Kevin Ingle

Although I am not reading every topic and am slightly outdated on new rulings, I can still remember those old topic discussions about people tweaking things in the scenarios. Yeah, some bad apples as you say.

But thanks for comments! You gave me some good ideas. The scenario isn't too long and it seems perfect to teach people more about passive hidden rolls behind a screen which I wanted to do for some time now. I'll put more emphasis on roleplay and desert environment flavor wise.

Sczarni 4/5

Kevin Willis wrote:
I'm not sure what your concern is in this particular case. Given the paragraph I quoted, with 5 players they will be in the high tier. (Unless I am misunderstanding and they want to play low.)

With 7.4 APL with 5 players and scenario being a season 2, if I understood right, they are forced to play subtier 5-6. ("Parties with four or five characters must play the lower subtier.")

Reference wise, their levels are 9,9,8,6,5. APL calculation gets kind of funny if you remove a single lv5 character from the equation and party suddenly bumps to APL 8.

The Exchange 4/5 5/5

Malag wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
I'm not sure what your concern is in this particular case. Given the paragraph I quoted, with 5 players they will be in the high tier. (Unless I am misunderstanding and they want to play low.)

With 7.4 APL with 5 players and scenario being a season 2, if I understood right, they are forced to play subtier 5-6. ("Parties with four or five characters must play the lower subtier.")

Reference wise, their levels are 9,9,8,6,5. APL calculation gets kind of funny if you remove a single lv5 character from the equation and party suddenly bumps to APL 8.

You are right, I misread my own post.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Kevin Willis wrote:
I'm not sure what your concern is in this particular case. Given the paragraph I quoted, with 5 players they will be in the high tier. (Unless I am misunderstanding and they want to play low.)

If rounded to 7, and 5 players, they will be playing the Low tier.

He wants to give them the option to play the High tier, because I'm inferring there are some power builds or builds specifically excellent for the challenges of this scenario coming to the table.

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