Pretty much the topic says it all. It would probably be a rogue but with all the archetypes I'm not sure what would suite the idea. Any help would be appreciated.
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My first thought is the Carnivalist Rogue archetype to give you a monkey familiar, aaaaaand I just like Bard abilities on other classes...
Familiar Folio gives you a gimped familiar with one feat and you can use a second feat to make it a full familiar. Aladdin's monkey could probably just be the gimped version.
I guess we are assuming you are referring to the Disney Aladdin.
Monkey familiar can also be accessed through Skill Focus (knowledge local) -> Eldritch Heritage (arcane).
Acrobat/Burglar or Cutpurse/Burglar could work well.
Familiar Folio gives you a gimped familiar with one feat and you can use a second feat to make it a full familiar. Aladdin's monkey could probably just be the gimped version.
I guess we are assuming you are referring to the Disney Aladdin.
Yup, its a joke for an upcoming campaign placed in the middle east
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Familiar Folio gives you a gimped familiar with one feat and you can use a second feat to make it a full familiar. Aladdin's monkey could probably just be the gimped version.
I guess we are assuming you are referring to the Disney Aladdin.
heh, you know, I hadn't even begun to consider that it WASN'T the Disney Aladdin
My first thought is the Carnivalist Rogue archetype to give you a monkey familiar, aaaaaand I just like Bard abilities on other classes...
This actually would work great, I could also have him and the monkey go around singing songs from the movie :P (for the performance)
My idea is that he'd actually be a Summoner, Genie would be his Eidolon and if your GM lets you take the Shaitan Binder archetype as a human.
Actually, I would take a monk or fighter over a rogue. (At least for Disney Aladdin)
I'm not familiar with the original tales myself, but if you go for Disney Aladdin he never really did much "sneak attack" mechanically speaking. He was high agility and high skill points, sure, but I feel like a lot of options could be closer to his character than rogue.
The skill points from rogue are most of what I feel he makes use of, in fact... Maybe a bard, with a martial improving archetype of some sort? Give me a starting stat limit (point buy, rolled?) and a starting and max level, with a more clear statement of what you want to do. A dervish dancer is the ideal scimitar user, I feel, if that's your gig.
I see what you mean about him never really using a "sneak attack" but he was a thief and a cutpurse so I feel rogue would better represent him.
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I'd definitely making him a Street Performer archetype Bard. It gives him the skill points etc. He totally has perform: sing - and the Street Performer performance is what helps him escape the guards etc. (And you know he has high charisma - all the ladies love him. And crazy old sultans for that matter.)
I'd definitely making him a Street Performer archetype Bard. It gives him the skill points etc. He totally has perform: sing - and the Street Performer performance is what helps him escape the guards etc. (And you know he has high charisma - all the ladies love him. And crazy old sultans for that matter.)
I'm leaning towards this or the carnivalist rogue at the moment so any idea on how to get the monkey if I were to take bard?
Also, definitely has the Heart of the Slums alternate racial trait.
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I'd definitely making him a Street Performer archetype Bard. It gives him the skill points etc. He totally has perform: sing - and the Street Performer performance is what helps him escape the guards etc. (And you know he has high charisma - all the ladies love him. And crazy old sultans for that matter.)I'm leaning towards this or the carnivalist rogue at the moment so any idea on how to get the monkey if I were to take bard?
Just the eldritch heritage others have mentioned. Heck - it could just be a trained monkey. It doesn't need to be a class feature. Even in PFS - you can technically buy animals. (If you want to break a low level PFS adventure - have everyone buy combat trained bison for 50gp each and literally trample the enemy into the ground!)
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My suggestion is actually to go for a Ranger who specializes in the Scimitar with Eldritch Heritage for a Monkey Companion.
As mentioned above, there is a feat in familiar folio to gain a familiar.
My idea is that he'd actually be a Summoner, Genie would be his Eidolon and if your GM lets you take the Shaitan Binder archetype as a human.
The only problem with that idea is that you really need to come up with an archetype where the eidolon and not the summoner does all the magic.
I really have to put that archetype together one of these days.
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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/c-d/daivrat
PRINCE ALI!
I would go with Bard, actually. Aladdin didn't really do anything besides run/hide/steal/invoke the genie, none of which makes you a contributing party member (besides the genie part, but sadly that's not a rogue class feature). The Bard is as good at hiding and stealing, and can at least yell encouragement to his genie (AKA the party Wizard) and co.
I would go with a summoner and let the eidolon do all the physical stuff and also give it credit for the magic.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/c-d/daivrat
PRINCE ALI!
Ooooh... so bard it is!
Extra points: go Daredevil/Sound Striker, and then start actually singing Disney songs whenever you use Wordstrike or Weird Words.
@RumpinRufus While I love the idea of hurting people with my terrible singing it just seems so much more right to make people fall over and run into each other like the classic Disney escape and fight scenes from Aladdin :P
I don't know if I could use the feat from Familiar Folio or not so for now I'l assume not. I'l check with my GM asap.
So, Heart of the slums human Street Performer Bard taking 9 levels in diavrat- only 9 so I don't become a genie.
Then I get an awakened monkey friend (getting the spell from Spell-Fetch for more fun).
Another option is to get Eldritch Heritage feats for the monkey and only take 5 levels in diavrat because his level 6 class feature replaces all familiars.
Finally I would need to summon a genie and somehow get him to become my friend. Also get/make an intelligent carpet of flying.
any other ideas to add onto this? other feats? Having a lot of bluff and diplomacy skills would be fun.
At 6th level, a daivrat can select a zhyen to serve as his familiar, replacing any familiar he already possesses, as if he had the Improved Familiar feat.
You don't have to take the improved familiar, you could stay with your monkey.
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@RumpinRufus While I love the idea of hurting people with my terrible singing it just seems so much more right to make people fall over and run into each other like the classic Disney escape and fight scenes from Aladdin :P
If you want to stick closer to Aladdin's innate character traits rather than his genie and his big Disney musical numbers, consider picking up some teamwork feats that he can use with Abu, like Escape Route, Team Pickpocketing, or Underhanded Teamwork. Some of these are pretty niche, but if you're going to emulate scenes from the movie, they'll definitely come up.
Incidentally, we did a whole episode of the Gameable Disney Podcast about roleplaying in the world of Aladdin: you can find a link here if you're interested.
You don't have to take the improved familiar, you could stay with your monkey.At 6th level, a daivrat can select a zhyen to serve as his familiar, replacing any familiar he already possesses, as if he had the Improved Familiar feat.
Okay that's good, how many levels of diavrat do you think would be optimal?
@RumpinRufus While I love the idea of hurting people with my terrible singing it just seems so much more right to make people fall over and run into each other like the classic Disney escape and fight scenes from Aladdin :PIf you want to stick closer to Aladdin's innate character traits rather than his genie and his big Disney musical numbers, consider picking up some teamwork feats that he can use with Abu, like Escape Route, Team Pickpocketing, or Underhanded Teamwork. Some of these are pretty niche, but if you're going to emulate scenes from the movie, they'll definitely come up.
Incidentally, we did a whole episode of the Gameable Disney Podcast about roleplaying in the world of Aladdin: you can find a link here if you're interested.
I will listen to that as soon as I have some time free.
5 levels gets you the most of your spell fetch class feature as a bard, allowing you to fetch any spell of 6th level or lower.
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These days I more see Aladdin as a Sleuth Investigator, really. Al's not a magical type of guy, although he knows people that are, but he's more of a man who uses his charm, wits, and luck to fight than stealth and sneak attacks like a rogue, and his capacity to resist temptation in the Cave of Wonders bespeaks a high Will Save to me.
The Sleuth Deeds all speak to abilities Al demonstrates, in my opinion. Being able to climb, swim, jump, and escape from things really well, knowing when to run like hell, being quick enough to evade attacks, and making it count when the time finally comes for him to stop running or planning and fight back.
It's less about the spellcasting and more about the performance. Plus it gives him a reason to run around singing a whole new world.
@RumpinRufus While I love the idea of hurting people with my terrible singing it just seems so much more right to make people fall over and run into each other like the classic Disney escape and fight scenes from Aladdin :P
Huh. With that in mind, have you considered entering this prestige class to accomplish that? The Shift Blame ability would represent this marvelously.
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honestly, I see him as a rogue glory rogue+cutpurse+w/e, who had a ring of 3 wishes.
why I don't see him as a bard-
he isn't the smartest guy around, and he far from know about everything. He knows rumors, and rogue things, he has no idea what the angle of the slope is.
He has no magic, not even abilities that could be described as magical.
For a character like Aladdin I've always thought the Carnivalist archetype for Rogues was well suited.
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Master Summoner so he can summon fleas in addition to his monkey.
You know, so they can mourn him.
He's a Daredevil / Animal Speaker Bard, with maxed ranks of Acrobatics, Bluff, and Use Magic Device. He has the Agile maneuvers feat, along with Combat reflexes - > Improved Feint.
Abu is simply his pet monkey.
His level 1 spells are Anticipate Peril and Compel Hostility, and cantrips are Unwitting Ally, Open / close, Know Direcrtion, and Daze.
He's not very optimized, his player having forgotten that charisma is more important than dexterity for bards. Charisma 12-13 at best.
His greatest enemy is a sorcerer with Wisdom 7 and some condition that causes wisdom damage on top of that.
He's a Daredevil / Animal Speaker Bard, with maxed ranks of Acrobatics, Bluff, and Use Magic Device. He has the Agile maneuvers feat, along with Combat reflexes - > Improved Feint.
Abu is simply his pet monkey.
His level 1 spells are Anticipate Peril and Compel Hostility, and cantrips are Unwitting Ally, Open / close, Know Direcrtion, and Daze.
He's not very optimized, his player having forgotten that charisma is more important than dexterity for bards. Charisma 12-13 at best.
His greatest enemy is a sorcerer with Wisdom 7 and some condition that causes wisdom damage on top of that.
Does he show signs of the hyper-competency bards are known for having in all skills? (jack of all trade, bardic knowledge, etc.) because if not he could easily be a Duettist, which would allow him to have the monkey as his familiar
