The History Behind The Paladin


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I thought I'd take a break from the arcane and do something with the divine. We all know who and what paladins are, but how did we decide on that term? Well if you look back in your history the word paladin actually referred to one of twelve very specific knights.

Also for bonus badass points, Sir Christopher Lee is the modern descendant of the man these original paladins served.

More on paladin history here!


Interesting. However, most of the article seems like an introduction and it seems to end just when it starts to delve into the actual topic.


Ciaran Barnes wrote:
Interesting. However, most of the article seems like an introduction and it seems to end just when it starts to delve into the actual topic.

Sadly there isn't really a lot of information for a general overview. While I'm sure it's possible to find specific information on the 12 peers and their deeds, that seemed a little deeper than the topic warranted.


I too have a direct lineage to charlemagne. He's 38 generations up from me. Huge geneology buff.


Neal Litherland wrote:
Ciaran Barnes wrote:
Interesting. However, most of the article seems like an introduction and it seems to end just when it starts to delve into the actual topic.
Sadly there isn't really a lot of information for a general overview. While I'm sure it's possible to find specific information on the 12 peers and their deeds, that seemed a little deeper than the topic warranted.

The constructive criticism stuck with me, so I went back and did some re-writes. Perhaps the edited version provides a little less of an abrupt ending?


Vincent Takeda wrote:
I too have a direct lineage to charlemagne. He's 38 generations up from me. Huge geneology buff.

Must we from this point forward refer to you as Vincelemagne?

Or will Takeda the Pretty Good be acceptable?


Jaelithe wrote:
Vincent Takeda wrote:
I too have a direct lineage to charlemagne. He's 38 generations up from me. Huge geneology buff.

Must we from this point forward refer to you as Vincelemagne?

Or will Takeda the Pretty Good be acceptable?

Unlike Sir Christopher Lee, I do not have a cd out about heavy metal christmas carols, so 'Pretty good' is gererous praise indeed!

Especially considering how controversial or not so well received some of my post history is :P

I am certainly not a 'sir', heheheheh.


Vincent Takeda wrote:
I too have a direct lineage to charlemagne. He's 38 generations up from me. Huge geneology buff.

Aren't most people of western European ancestry descendants of Charlemagne? Since he lived over a thousand years ago, he is getting close to the "all or none" point of modern people in his region being descended from him -- and we can definitely rule out the "none" option.


David knott 242 wrote:
Vincent Takeda wrote:
I too have a direct lineage to charlemagne. He's 38 generations up from me. Huge geneology buff.

Aren't most people of western European ancestry descendants of Charlemagne? Since he lived over a thousand years ago, he is getting close to the "all or none" point of modern people in his region being descended from him -- and we can definitely rule out the "none" option.

GOTTA go and ruin it, dontcha?


David knott 242 wrote:
Vincent Takeda wrote:
I too have a direct lineage to charlemagne. He's 38 generations up from me. Huge geneology buff.

Aren't most people of western European ancestry descendants of Charlemagne? Since he lived over a thousand years ago, he is getting close to the "all or none" point of modern people in his region being descended from him -- and we can definitely rule out the "none" option.

Hmm. so going up 38 generations as I have... that means the number of ancestors I have from that time period is 274.8 billion of them. Wonder what the population was... You could be right. Websites estimate world population at the time of only 200 million so yeah. Theoretically if I were able to follow every branch up, I could expect several hundred of the branches to end in charlemagne, as could everyone else...

Thats some wierd math...


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Well, they all end in Adam or Lucy anyway, right?


Good article, I particularly liked where you pointed out that the term paladin didn't come into use until ~1590, long after the events of the "paladins". I wonder how this would apply to medieval/renaissance literature - was this the time period when the "matter of France" was being publishing in book form?

I think the direct lineage of the gaming paladin also lies in Holger Carlson, (Ogier du Dane) in Poul Anderson's Three Hearts and Three Lions. The character is a modern man, sent back to take part in Carolingian adventures. We see the paladin mount, detecting evil, aura of courage, laying on hands, and, of course, the holy sword that dispels enchantments...

A great book, by the way, and a key title in "Appendix N".

Shadow Lodge

Since I'm pretty sure that all the modern European ruling families can in some way trace lineage back to Charlemagne (since the royal families are so intermarried anyway), and almost all European descended Americans can trace some lineage to one of the European royals; pretty much all of White America is approximately 38 generations removed from Charlemagne.

The only really great trick is tracing your lineage.


Yeah, truth be told I'd be way more interested in other branches of my tree than I am with the charlemagne branch... As far as i've been up the tree on my fathers side i'm norway by way of denmark by way of prussia by way of minnesota. I'm far more interested in the more recent possibly viking parts of my tree than I am in the franks. Of course that may be a big intersection for me... franco prussian being what it is...

Lots of lutheran and lots of elk hunting going on.


I've got lineage back to Niall of the Nine Hostages, as well as Dal Riada Scot lineage that fought the Romans north of the wall and then to Malcolm Irwin the 4th King of Scotland, then fell to lesser nobles, then Scottish knights, then commoner Scots. I've got family from central Ireland (County Cork) as well. My European heritage is Irish and Scottish with no direct Charlemagne connection at all.

My Japanese mother's side (Shimizu) goes back a thousand years (at least on record) as a physicians family serving a noble house in Matsue, Japan, so no Charlemagne link that way. Without proper records I could go back another thousand years, with a family based in Matsue, there was an early Japanese kingdom defeated by the Yamato polity (which formed the original imperial bloodline). Matsue was given secondary status, since its deities Susano-o and Okuni-nushi gained secondary status to Ameterasu-Omikami, the chief goddess of the pantheon (and who was the chief deity of the Yamato). That's as far back as I could go on speculation.

I think I'm an exception to a European blood linkage to Charlemagne.

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