So, I was traipsing through the d20pfsrd, and found this:
Ironborn
While I highly doubt it's a playable race, it is interesting. Seems like a mis-filed addition. Surprised I heard nothing of it before.
What do folks think?
Edit: after a bit of research, it seems it's more of a misfile on the part of d20pfsrd, as I found the original source in a thrid-party thing.
Ironborn
Saw them, nothing special to say about them really. Guess people are waiting to see more support for it, just like the androids just got their support with the technology guide and Numeria companion.
Thats a cool find. I would love to see a warforged type playable race for Pathfinder.
Oh, Ironborn? You mean that third party race from those guys that made "In the Company of..."...
*follow the link*
*double take*
Nope. I was wrong!
*reads further*
...Wait... this still reads a lot like aforementioned third party race.
EDIT: Rite Publishing! That was it! They had an ironborn race in their book "In the Company of Monsters." The race let you pick the size and "build" too!
Yeah, that's a bad link. If it had been to a Iron Gods module I hadn't read, I might have believed they'd adapted the 3rd party version, though they don't do that often.
Doesn't fit at all in the 1st Mummy's Mask volume.
thejeff wrote: Yeah, that's a bad link. If it had been to a Iron Gods module I hadn't read, I might have believed they'd adapted the 3rd party version, though they don't do that often.
Doesn't fit at all in the 1st Mummy's Mask volume.
Yeah, it felt super weird to me too, which was why I put the eventual edit stating it was third-party.
There are also the Wyrwood and Androids.
I thought Androids were the Pathfinder version of Warforged.
Androids are a bit too fleshy to really fit most of the Warforged's idioms. They don't sleep, they're immune to disease, but that's about the end of the similarities.
My only beef with the Android is that their source material is spread out across 3 or more books and has some annoying holes in the fluff. Not of the, "wait that doesn't make sense," sort but the "wait, what about X? What's their culture/viewpoint/biological/game mechanic reaction to that?" sort.
And 1/day abilities rub me the wrong way. But that's my problem.
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Ironborn actually predate Pathfinder. They first came out in a three/five splatbook focused on martials called 'the Book of Iron Might'.
Except for the fact that they didn't really do a complete conversion, I actually like the Pathfinder version quite well, but then I was also fond of the previous version.
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Meh. Not a fan. The Large size option is particularly ill-advised, because your character sacrifices nothing for such a huge advantage. Small and Medium are considered interchangeable when race building, but large size is a distinct advantage.
Also, the notion of singling out a boost to Strength as worth more than other stat boosts went out with 2nd ed.
Most importantly (to me), rather than having the flavor of warforged, Ironborn seem to just be a blank slate that a player can use to pick and choose the best options for his build without any of those pesky role play and cultural expectations/repercussions.
There are also the Gearforged from Kobold Press
I love the Ironborn. I played one in a Curse of the Crimson Throne game some time ago and it was a lot of fun.
Goat Toucher - they actually have a lot of flavour in the PDF, but most of it got left behind on the trip to the SRD. You also may not have noticed, but the Large ones do get a few drawbacks - they loose some dex but also the second ability for there Build Purpose. That includes such abilities as a 25% chance to ignore crits for the Centurions, Immunity to Mind Altering Affects for the Iron Heart one ad the OSpellmaster's Spell Durability ability to avoid loosing spells you fail to cast.
Androids are Golarions version of Warforged, and Wyrwood is Pathfinders version of Warforged.
boring7 wrote: Androids are a bit too fleshy to really fit most of the Warforged's idioms. They don't sleep, they're immune to disease, but that's about the end of the similarities.
My only beef with the Android is that their source material is spread out across 3 or more books and has some annoying holes in the fluff. Not of the, "wait that doesn't make sense," sort but the "wait, what about X? What's their culture/viewpoint/biological/game mechanic reaction to that?" sort.
And 1/day abilities rub me the wrong way. But that's my problem.
For the culture bit.. Isn't it vague because the souls that inhabit the body aren't specifically from one source of cultures? it implies that any free sould that found a "dead from old age" android body could take over it. Since they "age" and deactivate and the soul passes on instead of the body breaking down. Or at least one of the enteries implied that. So it's a lot more "blank slate" culture wise, so each one might have a seperate one depending on where and when they activated. and there can be some really awkward moments when someone who used to know you, or old pictures of you, and such show you but it was the "last" you
Kinda means that an android has no specific culture other than the disconnect.. I've always played mine up sorta like they haven't the past memories etc of the past lives but habits, likes, and random things did bleed over. But I must admit that my perception is coloured by Alchemicals from White Wolf's Exalted
Greylurker wrote: There are also the Gearforged from Kobold Press I love the Gearforged. They fit better with the flavor of the campaign I'm in right now, being that they are clockwork.
Zwordsman wrote: boring7 wrote: Androids are a bit too fleshy to really fit most of the Warforged's idioms. They don't sleep, they're immune to disease, but that's about the end of the similarities.
My only beef with the Android is that their source material is spread out across 3 or more books and has some annoying holes in the fluff. Not of the, "wait that doesn't make sense," sort but the "wait, what about X? What's their culture/viewpoint/biological/game mechanic reaction to that?" sort.
And 1/day abilities rub me the wrong way. But that's my problem.
For the culture bit.. Isn't it vague because the souls that inhabit the body aren't specifically from one source of cultures? it implies that any free sould that found a "dead from old age" android body could take over it. Since they "age" and deactivate and the soul passes on instead of the body breaking down. Or at least one of the enteries implied that. So it's a lot more "blank slate" culture wise, so each one might have a seperate one depending on where and when they activated. and there can be some really awkward moments when someone who used to know you, or old pictures of you, and such show you but it was the "last" you
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Kinda means that an android has no specific culture other than the disconnect.. I've always played mine up sorta like they haven't the past memories etc of the past lives but habits, likes, and random things did bleed over. But I must admit that my perception is coloured by Alchemicals from White Wolf's Exalted They have a religion of "the first" which is not very heavily explored. The "emotionless" trope is hazy, but admittedly that is partly because there is a lot of scholarly debate on the nature of emotional thought and every major "emotionless" fictional character you care to name was chock full of pathos that they just played out differently.
Also, questions of programming. They start with a base programming of SOME sort and patterns they generally follow, the determination of what sort seems much more vague than the Warforged of Eberron. B
I mean, is there a key phrase that brings an android under control?
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